Seems like a very reasonable compromise. What's the catch?
I don't find it reasonable that Google wants to make me wait 24h to install software on a device I own.
Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The one-day waiting period is so arbitrary. Scammers aren't going to wait on the phone for a day with your elderly parent.
Scammers already will spend multiple days on a scam call. Watch some Kitboga videos, he'll strings them along for a week. "Google will call you again tomorrow to get you your refund." There, we've successfully circumvented all of Google's security engineering on this "feature."
https://youtu.be/YIR-nJv_-VA?t=121
They don't mind being patient when they have dozens of other victims in the wait queue.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The one-day waiting period is so arbitrary. Scammers aren't going to wait on the phone for a day with your elderly parent.
Scammers already will spend multiple days on a scam call. Watch some Kitboga videos, he'll strings them along for a week. "Google will call you again tomorrow to get you your refund." There, we've successfully circumvented all of Google's security engineering on this "feature."
tl;dr of this post is that Google wants to lock down Android and be its gatekeeper. Every other point of discussion is just a distraction.
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#94Having to wait a day for a one off isn't a big deal, if they kept it looser then you'd be shouting about the amount of scams that propagate on the platform.
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#95This is going to hurt legitimate sideloading way more than actually necessary to reduce scams: - Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? - One-day (day!!!) waiting period to activate (one-time) -- the vast majority of people who need to sideload something will probably no…
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because estimates suggest Americans lose about $119 billion annually to financial scams, which is a not insignificant fraction of our entire military budget, or more than 5% of annual social security expenditures.
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#97Yeah, I know... Stockholm syndrome...
Although I may not have to live with it, as none of my present devices are recent enough to still receive ota updates.
Context: I don't use alternative app stores. I occasionally side-load updates to apps that I've written myself, and very occasionally third party apps from trusted sources.
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#98At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…
So long as the 5g chips and the 2 mobile app stores remain under control, then 5 eyes has nearly full coverage.
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#99Like when Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, et al. cooperated with¹ the unconstitutional and illegal² PRISM program to hand over bulk user data to the NSA without a warrant? That kind of harm to my personal data that I did not intend?
If so, I'd love to hear an explanation of why every Google/Alphabet, Facebook/Meta, and Microsoft application haven't been removed for being malware already.
¹ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...
² https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/us-court-mass...
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#100More people moving to GrapheneOS is the best tool we have against Google's continued and escalating hostility to user freedom and privacy and general anti-competitive conduct. (Of course, you could ditch having a smartphone entirely..., but if you're willing to consider that you don't need me plugging an alternative).