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Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Seems like a very reasonable compromise. What's the catch?

I don't find it reasonable that Google wants to make me wait 24h to install software on a device I own.

Get with the newspeak, it's called "sideloading" now and your corporate overlords get to dictate the terms.

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#92
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The one-day waiting period is so arbitrary. Scammers aren't going to wait on the phone for a day with your elderly parent.

Scammers already will spend multiple days on a scam call. Watch some Kitboga videos, he'll strings them along for a week. "Google will call you again tomorrow to get you your refund." There, we've successfully circumvented all of Google's security engineering on this "feature."

Check out this A&E Intervention episode for Greg. They have continuously worked this guy over for months.

https://youtu.be/YIR-nJv_-VA?t=121

They don't mind being patient when they have dozens of other victims in the wait queue.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#93
post #63
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The one-day waiting period is so arbitrary. Scammers aren't going to wait on the phone for a day with your elderly parent.

Scammers already will spend multiple days on a scam call. Watch some Kitboga videos, he'll strings them along for a week. "Google will call you again tomorrow to get you your refund." There, we've successfully circumvented all of Google's security engineering on this "feature."

This is obvious to anyone with a brain. I'm not familiar with scam logistics or the videos you mentioned, and the exact same line you put in quotes is what first came to my mind.

tl;dr of this post is that Google wants to lock down Android and be its gatekeeper. Every other point of discussion is just a distraction.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#94
I'm not in agreement with most of you, hn. They've found a decent compromise that works for power users and the general population. Your status as a power user does not invalidate the need to help the more vulnerable.

Having to wait a day for a one off isn't a big deal, if they kept it looser then you'd be shouting about the amount of scams that propagate on the platform.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#95

This is going to hurt legitimate sideloading way more than actually necessary to reduce scams: - Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? - One-day (day!!!) waiting period to activate (one-time) -- the vast majority of people who need to sideload something will probably no…

Medical apps (such as those that talk to insulin pumps) also refuse to run when developer mode is turned on.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because estimates suggest Americans lose about $119 billion annually to financial scams, which is a not insignificant fraction of our entire military budget, or more than 5% of annual social security expenditures.

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Most of the victims were last in school in the 1960s when all this stuff didn't exist. Also from experience teaching people with dementia or memory issues is kinda challenging as they just forget.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#97
I'd rather not have to go through this ritual, but I appreciate that there is a genuine security problem that google are trying to address. I also suspect that they have other motivations bound-up in this - principally discouraging use of alternative app stores. But basically I could live with this process.

Yeah, I know... Stockholm syndrome...

Although I may not have to live with it, as none of my present devices are recent enough to still receive ota updates.

Context: I don't use alternative app stores. I occasionally side-load updates to apps that I've written myself, and very occasionally third party apps from trusted sources.

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#98
post #87

At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

Its not society, this is simply more fascism. Corperate and government cooperation to surviel and controll the masses.

So long as the 5g chips and the 2 mobile app stores remain under control, then 5 eyes has nearly full coverage.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#99
>And what is malware? For [Android Ecosystem President], malware in the context of developer verification is an application package that “causes harm to the user’s device or personal data that the user did not intend.”

Like when Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, et al. cooperated with¹ the unconstitutional and illegal² PRISM program to hand over bulk user data to the NSA without a warrant? That kind of harm to my personal data that I did not intend?

If so, I'd love to hear an explanation of why every Google/Alphabet, Facebook/Meta, and Microsoft application haven't been removed for being malware already.

¹ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...

² https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/us-court-mass...

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#100
I'd urge everyone here to seriously consider switching to GrapheneOS. It's a far simpler transition than e.g. switching from Windows or OSX to Linux, and many people find that it has basically no friction vs android.

More people moving to GrapheneOS is the best tool we have against Google's continued and escalating hostility to user freedom and privacy and general anti-competitive conduct. (Of course, you could ditch having a smartphone entirely..., but if you're willing to consider that you don't need me plugging an alternative).

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