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As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
Are you the product for Firefox too? VPNs are no longer optional for the current internet. This is as controversial as Firefox speaking ftp.
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> "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold" This is such a un-nuanced take. In this case Firefox's route-to-market is the product. It's a distribution channel where some people who receive the free version will upgrade. Free tiers for products where some will pay to upgrade seems like a reasonable compromise, but it does depend on how the deal is structured. If Mullvad pays Firefox for the free use…
> This is such a un-nuanced take. It's still correct though. In this context Mozilla uses the firefox-users as their test and demo base. At the end is commercial benefit. And I think the core criticism still applies. Mozilla gave up on the browser years ago, let's be honest. It may be interesting from a historic point of view to find out how, when and why, but meanwhile the rest of the world has moved on already, so…
In this case, you stent being sold. They are providing a limited free version and hoping you upgrade.
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> "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold" This must apply to Firefox itself, right?
of course it does. Why do you think google buys the rights to firefox's search bar (as a default setting)?
There's an oft repeated claim about "Modern Browsers are some of the most complex projects" Yeah no shit, when you have browser vendors shipping features that have no place in browser, it's hardly surprising. Why does a browser need screen sharing built in? Why does it need a vpn client? You know there's a fucking operating system running under the browser that can run those things without worrying about how they imp…
> Why does it need a vpn client? Do think your web browser also should not have SOCKS and HTTP Proxy support? What about DNS-over-HTTPS?
A vpn is a network layer tunnel. Does your browser also include its own built in ip stack? Maybe it should have its own window system.
DNS arguably would also be best left to the OS, yes.
As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
I think a VPN is a great add-on for Firefox and way for Mozilla to monetize itself, but I'm surprised it's free. Perhaps it's a free trial like Proton?
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> "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold" This is such a un-nuanced take. In this case Firefox's route-to-market is the product. It's a distribution channel where some people who receive the free version will upgrade. Free tiers for products where some will pay to upgrade seems like a reasonable compromise, but it does depend on how the deal is structured. If Mullvad pays Firefox for the free use…
I doubt Mullvad would be doing this if they weren't getting compensated given they've always said (even right now[1]) they don't offer a free tier since they don't believe it makes sense. The other aspect is I expect it would stain the IP pool further. VPN IPs often end up on various blacklists due to abuse and introducing a wave of free users would only make it worse for paying customers. [1] https://mullvad.net/en/…
There's an oft repeated claim about "Modern Browsers are some of the most complex projects" Yeah no shit, when you have browser vendors shipping features that have no place in browser, it's hardly surprising. Why does a browser need screen sharing built in? Why does it need a vpn client? You know there's a fucking operating system running under the browser that can run those things without worrying about how they imp…
> Why does a browser need screen sharing built in? Is that maybe used for video calls?
Or are you telling me that chrome has a fucking video call client built in as well?
As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold" HN is "free" too. :)
> HN is "free" too. :)
Indeed: you deliver valuable information about market trends, market sentiments, technology, ... to SV startups and investors.
Additionally, Hacker News is basically a marketing expense of YC.
As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
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Can we go back to making all this garbage, I don’t know, a browser extension or something? All of this crap that everyone keeps pulling into their browsers needs to be ripped back out and made a plugin or an extension. Stop shoving it in the core damn browser. I didn’t need the waste of space and I’m never going to touch it.
Why would a VPN be a good browser extension?