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EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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Well, we've proven the 27 smaller, competing bureaucracies are creating plenty of their own issues. It's not like the US where 50 states (and yet more territories) actually compete on simplifying corporate law and offering strategic advantages. Corporate law is inherently somewhat bureaucratic; better simplify it and unify it if proven necessary.

Why aren’t European countries competing on better corporate law?

To some degree they are.

Before Brexit there was the 1£ Ltd. as a famous contender, which got quite attraction and lead to creation of German UG. Nowadays Estonia is advertising their quick digital registration process.

The problem is that you are still bound to the individual countries legal system and many things there aren't unified. Having to appear at an Estonian court as your books don't comply with Estonian regulation (while at the same time for tax purpose your bookkeeping have to comply to your local legislation) isn't fun.

Also people don't know those names. What is a GmbH, an A.S., an OÜ? Is that a serious business or some shady shell company far off?

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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Let say I would like to start making good chees... In what 28^th regime even helps me ?

It imagines new registry so OBVIOUSLY any company in existence will need to do additional work to re-register itself and plaster that number on all invoice issued. You will see.

So all that years of meetings and documents and laws are just to instruct clerks how to handle additional work to workers ?

How about "destroing barriers" for doing business ? For example WHY THE FUCK EVERY COW NEED TO HAVE A FUCKING eu PASSPORT YOU MORONS ????????? Do milk is cheaper that way ? Do hard working agriculture peoples asked for this ? Or you just trying to get rid of agriculture businesses ? And now more stupidity to send in "digit" form ??

So more "digital services" bureaucrats can juggle all months and years and push into workers throats ? How wasting a time helps EU ?? In which reality things bureaucrats do helps small business peoples ? How new register number helps in anything ???

You aware that only way to re-industrialization is to have a lot of WORKING small businesses ? You know difference between "created" startups and existing businesses ? Startups often do not know when they are doing and giving money to "starting business" just ups statistics in temporal number of paper preparing "businesses". 20 years of doing that practice didn't improve anything.

> "attract private investment through common fast, digital and cost- effective procedures"

Do you even know how that thing "business" works ? peoples do things that business domain requires. Now you know. And _ANY_PAPER_WORK_FOR_GOVERMENT_AND_CONTROLING_INSTITUTIONS_OR_JUST_TO_PUT_IT_INTO_PAPER_STACK_BECOUSE_SOME_MORON_IMAGINED_MORE_PAPER_FORMS_END_PROCEDURES_NOW_ALSO_IN_DIGITAL

... is wasting time that can be used for business domain. or research and innovation.

So more perfect procedures for whom exactly ????????? To consume by time wasters , right ?

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why aren’t European countries competing on better corporate law?

To some degree they are. Before Brexit there was the 1£ Ltd. as a famous contender, which got quite attraction and lead to creation of German UG. Nowadays Estonia is advertising their quick digital registration process. The problem is that you are still bound to the individual countries legal system and many things there aren't unified. Having to appear at an Estonian court as your books don't comply with Estonian re…

In America everything is a shady shell company so it doesn’t matter ;P

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To some degree they are. Before Brexit there was the 1£ Ltd. as a famous contender, which got quite attraction and lead to creation of German UG. Nowadays Estonia is advertising their quick digital registration process. The problem is that you are still bound to the individual countries legal system and many things there aren't unified. Having to appear at an Estonian court as your books don't comply with Estonian re…

In America everything is a shady shell company so it doesn’t matter ;P

Well, it's all Delaware corporation ...

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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Even if it falls short on the ideal implementation via a regulation rather than a directive (the former mandating all states to adhere to a single implementation and the latter defining a framework that can be implemented by member states) this is still a huge accomplishment and a step in the right direction. And all done as a grass roots effort from a few dedicated and motivated folks like Andreas Klinger.

Exactly. Even if all it ends up amounting to is the stuff in the last paragraph of the summary, that would be huge.

The EU has a long history of doing things like this -- forcing the hand of national governments to do what they all knew needed to be done, but lacked the political willpower or mandate. Freeing monopolist-dominated or coddled industries like telecoms, delivery, airlines, railways would never have happened without the EU.

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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This didn’t happen. I know you have a fantasy it will be hard to disabuse you of, but that was an issue all of the UK’s own making.

Yes it did happen.

After the referendum, the EU and Bremainers made the 2 following nation-wide elections into single-issue elections. And they burned themselves justifiably from it.

You know that is the problem with the pro EU camp, they tout their opposition as science deniers and worse, yet conveniently pretend hard numbers (ie. election results) don't exist or didn't happen - if it hurts their feelings. It's just intellectual dishonesty through and through.

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This didn’t happen. I know you have a fantasy it will be hard to disabuse you of, but that was an issue all of the UK’s own making.

Yes it did happen. After the referendum, the EU and Bremainers made the 2 following nation-wide elections into single-issue elections. And they burned themselves justifiably from it. You know that is the problem with the pro EU camp, they tout their opposition as science deniers and worse, yet conveniently pretend hard numbers (ie. election results) don't exist or didn't happen - if it hurts their feelings. It's just…

The EU made UK elections into single-issue ones? Obviously that didn't happen.

I think you're just projecting, to be honest. The "leave the EU" side won; unexpectedly, with no clear vision of what that involved. And then the UK's internal inability to agree resulted in a tumultuous period of internal politics, the result of which is pretty much the outcome we'd've all expected.

Time to get over it, I think.

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it did happen. After the referendum, the EU and Bremainers made the 2 following nation-wide elections into single-issue elections. And they burned themselves justifiably from it. You know that is the problem with the pro EU camp, they tout their opposition as science deniers and worse, yet conveniently pretend hard numbers (ie. election results) don't exist or didn't happen - if it hurts their feelings. It's just…

The EU made UK elections into single-issue ones? Obviously that didn't happen. I think you're just projecting, to be honest. The "leave the EU" side won; unexpectedly, with no clear vision of what that involved. And then the UK's internal inability to agree resulted in a tumultuous period of internal politics, the result of which is pretty much the outcome we'd've all expected. Time to get over it, I think.

> Time to get over it, I think.

It seems like you haven't, why else would you deny the facts?

The EU tried to bully the Brits multiple times into staying [1] while its politicians made many thinly veiled threats [2], hoping they were veiled enough so that Bremain could make use of them. Luckily they overstepped with their arrogance.

The Brits noticed and the results were clear:

- The Torys won the UK parliament in a historic landslide in 2019, they broke "red wall" with their main campaign slogan being "Get Brexit done"

- in the European Parliament election in the United Kingdom prior to that the Brexit Party won almost half of all seats, >30% of the vote, the highest percentage of any party for the last 20 years

The EU could have handled this differently, but their behavior made Bremain so toxic that even Labour essentially gave up on it. As indicated by the breach of the "red wall"

Get over it

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[1] The EU threats:

- The EU insisted on a strict sequencing of talks: citizens' rights, financial settlement ("divorce bill"), and the Irish border before any discussion of a future trade relationship. This was a deliberate pressure tactic

- The "Divorce Bill" – The EU demanded roughly €39-100 billion (estimates varied wildly) as a financial settlement – "leaving has a price." Michel Barnier (EU Chief Negotiator) insisted that this was non-negotiable.

- Irish Border / Backstop – designed to be a near-inescapable commitment if no trade deal was reached. This killed Theresa May's deal in Parliament three times.

- Granting Article 50 Extensions: Each extension (April 2019, October 2019) came with conditions and public EU reluctance — framed as a favor to the UK. This had a soft public opinion effect domestically in the UK

- No "Cherry Picking" Doctrine: Designed to make voters understand that a "soft Brexit" was not actually on offer, pressuring the Remain camp's argument.

[2] Key EU officials made pointed public statements:

- Jean-Claude Juncker (Commission President): Repeatedly warned the UK was underestimating the complexity. Said the negotiations would be "very, very, very difficult." Also warned in 2016 that there would be no informal negotiations before Article 50 was triggered — a rebuff to UK hopes for a soft start.

- Guy Verhofstadt (EU Parliament Brexit coordinator): Was openly confrontational, frequently stating the UK was living in "a fantasy world" regarding what Brexit could deliver.

- Donald Tusk (European Council President): Made the famous 2019 comment about a "special place in hell" for those who promoted Brexit without a plan — widely seen as a deliberate provocation to harden British public debate.

- Emmanuel Macron: Repeatedly said the UK could reverse Brexit at any time, keeping "Remain" psychologically alive as an option.

- Michel Barnier: "I am not hearing any whistling, just the clock ticking." July 2017 — A sharp comeback after Boris Johnson told the EU to "go whistle" over the divorce bill.

Re: EU Inc.: A new harmonised corporate legal regime

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU made UK elections into single-issue ones? Obviously that didn't happen. I think you're just projecting, to be honest. The "leave the EU" side won; unexpectedly, with no clear vision of what that involved. And then the UK's internal inability to agree resulted in a tumultuous period of internal politics, the result of which is pretty much the outcome we'd've all expected. Time to get over it, I think.

> Time to get over it, I think. It seems like you haven't, why else would you deny the facts? The EU tried to bully the Brits multiple times into staying [1] while its politicians made many thinly veiled threats [2], hoping they were veiled enough so that Bremain could make use of them. Luckily they overstepped with their arrogance. The Brits noticed and the results were clear: - The Torys won the UK parliament in a…

I'm afraid you didn't read my message – this is to be expected, since you've clearly decided on your opinion in advance.

But it's really simple:

- The "let's leave the EU" side won in the UK, no question - The UK entered a period where it struggled to figure out what "Get Brexit done" meant - Eventually they figured that out, it was pretty much the shape that was expected, and did it.

What you have described as "threats" are clearly examples of what you would expect the impact of leaving an integrated union would be. That includes negotiating the terms of the departure, and the EU was obviously in the interests of the EU.

I'm honestly just baffled that you think otherwise. The UK chose to leave the EU – fine. The EU acted to protect its interests in that exit – also fine. Weird to get so threatened by things that turned out to be obviously true.

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