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North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by FpUser »

gpm wrote: post #53
FpUser wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US did not win because the US did not win. Crying about the reasons does not help. Usual FAFO. Does not hurt to think of consequences before starting something

South Korea and its allies did not win - but they did successfully defeat the North Korean invasion of South Korea that started the war. Resulting in 53 million people today who live good lives in a high tech liberal democracy instead of living in abject poverty under the dictatorship that controls the north. Despite not winning, the consequences of the western nations going to war in this case appear to have been si…

No need for political lecture. This was a simple point of win / win not.

>"high tech liberal democracy"

After US involvement South Korea was anything but. It is only since 1987 that some semblance of normalcy had started to appear. Still it is a country practically owned by Chaebols and Hell Joseon work and life culture. Recent temporary martial law with the president's shenanigans does not inspire much confidence either. Call it whatever you want.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by gpm »

FpUser wrote: post #91
gpm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

South Korea and its allies did not win - but they did successfully defeat the North Korean invasion of South Korea that started the war. Resulting in 53 million people today who live good lives in a high tech liberal democracy instead of living in abject poverty under the dictatorship that controls the north. Despite not winning, the consequences of the western nations going to war in this case appear to have been si…

No need for political lecture. This was a simple point of win / win not. >"high tech liberal democracy" After US involvement South Korea was anything but. It is only since 1987 that some semblance of normalcy had started to appear. Still it is a country practically owned by Chaebols and Hell Joseon work and life culture. Recent temporary martial law with the president's shenanigans does not inspire much confidence ei…

When you imply there was "fucking around and finding out", "starting something", and "[negative] consequences" to a war that had positive consequences, and which was a war the other side started, there absolutely is a need to correct that.

Edit: Just noting that at the time I responded the above post consisted entirely of "No need for political lecture. This was a simple point of win / win not". The rest was edited in after the fact.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by dopesoap »

mikkupikku wrote: post #72
dopesoap wrote: post #34

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It's North Korea though and they're all eViL. Imagine a world where the U.S lifted sanctions on N.K. traded with them and stopped crying about losing a war 70 years ago. Ah well a boy can dream. Edit: Lol saying anything positive about North Korea on hacker news and people instantly freak out. This fucking website man. North Korea isn't what I would call a free society but it's also not the hell on earth that most li…

Lot's of people have tried trading with North Korea, but they're politically unreliable. China and Russia both try obviously, but so has South Korea. These cooperations usually work for a while but eventually the unreliable reality of the North Korean government wrecks it for them. If it were all America's fault, as these sort of regimes always claim, they'd be able to get on well enough with their neighbors, but the…

The United States plays a large role in destabilizing them I went to a lecture at my university where a South Korean professor said as much. He was hardly a fan of the North Korean regime. At this point the regime has zero interest in cooperation, I'm sorry but your government is slowly becoming an authoritarian state in its own right and is currently causing chaos at the behest of Israel a country which just commuted a genocide with the blessing of both parties in your country. Imagine trying to get along with your neighbor when they have billions of dollars of military hardware on your border. No country is to willing to cooperate with North Korea because being in the good graces of the United States is 100x more beneficial. You claim that North Korea can't get along with its neighbors please remind me which country invaded and artificialy divided Korea when they elected some one The United States didn't like.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by tt24 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #90
tylerchilds wrote: post #85

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Not an apt metaphor because we can just walk away and never see our employers again if that’s our free will.

You’ll lose your health insurance

Sounds like having a w2 is a pretty good deal for you then.

Slavery isn’t defined by “I don’t want to talk away because the deal is too good”, it’s more like “I’m unable to walk away because I’m threatened with force if I do so”

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by FpUser »

gpm wrote: post #92
FpUser wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need for political lecture. This was a simple point of win / win not. >"high tech liberal democracy" After US involvement South Korea was anything but. It is only since 1987 that some semblance of normalcy had started to appear. Still it is a country practically owned by Chaebols and Hell Joseon work and life culture. Recent temporary martial law with the president's shenanigans does not inspire much confidence ei…

When you imply there was "fucking around and finding out", "starting something", and "[negative] consequences" to a war that had positive consequences, and which was a war the other side started, there absolutely is a need to correct that. Edit: Just noting that at the time I responded the above post consisted entirely of "No need for political lecture. This was a simple point of win / win not". The rest was edited i…

Yes I edited it later to respond you your point of flourishing society. I should have put it under PS or edited. My fault. The original point still stands.

Edited.

I do understand that comparatively to North Korea SK is of course a huge win for people. However I think they would like to compare their lives with something better than one of the world's poverty and people's abuse champion

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by wahnfrieden »

tt24 wrote: post #94
wahnfrieden wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ll lose your health insurance

Sounds like having a w2 is a pretty good deal for you then. Slavery isn’t defined by “I don’t want to talk away because the deal is too good”, it’s more like “I’m unable to walk away because I’m threatened with force if I do so”

I moved to Canada instead of tying myself to a w2

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by bit-anarchist »

memonkey wrote: post #89
tylerchilds wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an apt metaphor because we can just walk away and never see our employers again if that’s our free will.

I know we're getting deep in the meta discussion but the free will that you're describing involves basically starving to death. Sure, you can walk away but unless you're well off, we all basically live in the same society that makes sure you are ALWAYS dependent on some kind of wage. You cannot live off the land, build housing, or eat food without some kind of income in the modern world. And thus the concept of wage…

But wage slavery, while bad, isn't slavery still. In slavery proper, the option of walking away straight up doesn't exist. In fact, in extreme cases, even the option of dying might not be available.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by guywithahat »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #90
tylerchilds wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an apt metaphor because we can just walk away and never see our employers again if that’s our free will.

You’ll lose your health insurance

My dad used to refer to that as the golden handcuffs when he worked for GE. Wouldn't compare it to slavery though, he just felt trapped there because nobody else would pay him that well or give him as good of benefits

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

abtinf wrote: post #7

I’m a little unclear on the usage of the word “fake” here. Going by article, these are real people doing actual real work, they often use stolen identities to conceal information about themselves, and they get help from outside sources to do their jobs better. Whatever the right word is, it’s not “fake”. Maybe fraudulent? Or ulterior motives? Or deceptive? Or pretext? Or threat actor? Or foreign agents?

I believe that in this context they are referring to their fake personalities.
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