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Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

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ActorNightly wrote: post #38
GMoromisato wrote: post #8

While I'm definitely going to give this a chance, I'm not going to get my hopes up. Firefly was a perfect storm--it was the combination of Wheadon, Tim Minear, and the entire cast. Personally, I think the writing is what made Firefly work, and without Wheadon or Minear, I don't know if it will rise to the same level. Moreover, I felt Serenity was a good conclusion to the original mythology (River, Alliance, etc.). If…

Lets be real - Firefly was very good. But the reason it holds "magic" status as far as series goes is mostly because of its rarity, and the final movie where a major likable character was killed off, with everyone wishing for a sequel. Its same with anything really - car enthusiasts obsess over limited runs of older cars because they are rare, not because they are good, and people were lining up at McDonalds when the…

I think you almost have it, one of the big reasons why Firefly has such an exalted status is that it only had one season. But it's not a rarity thing, it's that they spent that season doing some interesting world building that caught people's imagination then didn't have an opportunity to totally fuck it up in subsequent seasons.

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#92

Post by MisterTea »

remarkEon wrote: post #70
GMoromisato wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't get into Lower Decks. And I love Star Trek, so maybe you don't understand the full range of Star Trek fans. I personally love NG but couldn't get into DS9 or Voyager. I disliked Discovery but I love SNW. There are all kinds of Star Trek fans.

DS9 is a good litmus test for determining what kind of Star Trek fan you are. It broke a lot of the optimism and continuum of how Star Trek had worked previously, where hyper-competent people just always seem to come out okay. It smashed reality into the faces of sci-fi fans by building an actual war-narrative into the character arc (an episode of DS9 deals with GWOT PTSD better than almost any other network TV show…

DS9 raised the bar so high that it's past the Oort cloud. I've watched everything up to Enterprise and I will say that I enjoyed all of them despite their flaws. I tried watching the newer trek series: lower decks, discovery and picard. Lower decks was an instant turn-off and I fell asleep on the first episodes of the other two, twice. The free month of paramount ran out before I bothered trying to watch them again. I should give them a go one day.

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#93

Post by MisterTea »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #23
GMoromisato wrote: post #8

While I'm definitely going to give this a chance, I'm not going to get my hopes up. Firefly was a perfect storm--it was the combination of Wheadon, Tim Minear, and the entire cast. Personally, I think the writing is what made Firefly work, and without Wheadon or Minear, I don't know if it will rise to the same level. Moreover, I felt Serenity was a good conclusion to the original mythology (River, Alliance, etc.). If…

The benefit of it being animated is that if it sucks we can just ignore it, if it’s good we can embrace it. If they went the full live-action route there’s a higher chance it tarnishes the legacy of the original. I didn’t like Star Trek: Lower Decks but it didn’t make me feel like Trek has been ruined like Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy did.

Came for the Firefly. Stayed for the Trek flame wars. Anyone else feeling all warm and cozy like its the 90s again?

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#94

Post by ahazred8ta »

mrexroad wrote: post #32
readthenotes1 wrote: post #14

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Star Trek animated is pretty good and so is Lower Decks. I usually don't like cartoons but I'm hopeful.

ST:TAS had some surprisingly good scripts for something that was somewhat a 70’s kids cartoon. Very much enjoyed how animation allowed them to run wild where practical effects wouldn’t have been possible (for better or worse at times, lol). I adored Lower Decks. It was the right way to approach fan service for a franchise as I hate seeing fan service awkwardly ham fisted into every corner of nutrek. Some of the later…

If only ST:TAS hadn't given us the Holodeck... IMHO TNG would have been better without the holodeck episodes.

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#95

Post by butlike »

warpspin wrote: post #5

My wife used to fall for every Firefly season 2 hoax on social media in the past because she wished it to be true. It was very funny when I could come to her to announce there will be a season 2. Mixed feelings about it being animated. The older I become, the more I have trouble relating to painted characters, no real clue why, so I couldn't even enjoy things I should have enjoyed like Arcane. Also, of course, no She…

The way I see it: I'd rather have animated characters than everyone looking like a fossil. Really put a damper on Star Wars Ep. 7 for me (among other things), but Harrison Ford didn't look or feel like Han Solo. I'm glad they're not doing the played-out "aging crew" trope with Firefly. If it's animated, the characters can still run as far and jump as high as they could 20 years ago.

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

someperson wrote: post #84
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #27

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> recast versions WITH ai video generation Eww, absolutely not.

You don't need to watch the live-action version that's ideally difficult to distinguish between a real-actor version. But I'm sure it will eventually be available for those that want it.

There is no such thing as a “live action” with AI generated video, it is impossible by definition. It’s just CGI.

Nothing can replace actual actors.

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#97

Post by Izkata »

BoxOfSnoo wrote: post #89
Izkata wrote: post #36

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Okay so a little bit of out of universe trivia on Dollhouse: It was planned for 5 seasons. With the risk of cancellation, the second season and the two Epitaph episodes were a severely compressed telling of 4 seasons of plans. And, personally I think it worked well. Something similar happened to Babylon 5, Manifest, Jericho (IIRC), Firefly (Serenity was the original ending that would have played out over multiple sea…

I think it worked well with the Epitaph episodes being as short as they were. I don’t think I’d have enjoyed that much darkness for many seasons. They were great though, to show sobering consequences of what they were toying with.

My best guess based on another good series with a similar 5-season arc, the 3rd season would have been when the main characters realize Rossum's larger plans (Topher's breakdown when he puts together schematics from the individual Dollhouses, or the visit from one of the execs using Victor's body, for two examples that did make it into the series), 4th season would have been the dark one when everything goes to crap, and 5th season would have been the hopeful restoration of Epitaph One / Two.

The only thing I remember reading for sure is, the 2nd season would have largely been about exploring what was happening to Echo because of what occurred in the 1st season aired finale (episode "Omega") - which did happen, but it I don't remember it dominating the season. Didn't sound like it would have been a dark season, but looking back on it seems like it would have been painfully slow.

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#98

Post by someperson »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #96
someperson wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to watch the live-action version that's ideally difficult to distinguish between a real-actor version. But I'm sure it will eventually be available for those that want it.

There is no such thing as a “live action” with AI generated video, it is impossible by definition. It’s just CGI. Nothing can replace actual actors.

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Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#99

Post by monkeydreams »

remarkEon wrote: post #70
GMoromisato wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't get into Lower Decks. And I love Star Trek, so maybe you don't understand the full range of Star Trek fans. I personally love NG but couldn't get into DS9 or Voyager. I disliked Discovery but I love SNW. There are all kinds of Star Trek fans.

DS9 is a good litmus test for determining what kind of Star Trek fan you are. It broke a lot of the optimism and continuum of how Star Trek had worked previously, where hyper-competent people just always seem to come out okay. It smashed reality into the faces of sci-fi fans by building an actual war-narrative into the character arc (an episode of DS9 deals with GWOT PTSD better than almost any other network TV show…

Glad someone else felt the same. Discovery started well but the whole "burn" thing was... stupid. There are a million narrative devices you could use to break the ability for ships to travel via warp and they chose the least sciency of them all.

Re: Animated 'Firefly' Reboot in Development from Nathan Fillion, 20th TV

#100

Post by wan23 »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #23
GMoromisato wrote: post #8

While I'm definitely going to give this a chance, I'm not going to get my hopes up. Firefly was a perfect storm--it was the combination of Wheadon, Tim Minear, and the entire cast. Personally, I think the writing is what made Firefly work, and without Wheadon or Minear, I don't know if it will rise to the same level. Moreover, I felt Serenity was a good conclusion to the original mythology (River, Alliance, etc.). If…

The benefit of it being animated is that if it sucks we can just ignore it, if it’s good we can embrace it. If they went the full live-action route there’s a higher chance it tarnishes the legacy of the original. I didn’t like Star Trek: Lower Decks but it didn’t make me feel like Trek has been ruined like Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy did.

Without getting involved in the flame war, SNW and SFA are good shows. Strange New Worlds is the closest to one of the classic shows out of the new ones, though it has some quality issues in the more recent season which Trek show didn't? And Academy is just something different, but that doesn't make it bad. It should be okay for a property to have a show or two that is a different genre than the others. And for what it's worth, the themes are classic Trek at their core.
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