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Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#91
I really don't understand the argument here. That the product is locked down by design is a feature, not a limitation.

Yes, this has the side effect of making them more money and allowing a walled garden to form, but given that the vast majority of users wouldn't do anything different with their phones if a shell was present, this is in my opinion not that large of an effect.

The snide around "clicking on links is dangerous" and locking down the bootloader is unwarranted, because for most people a phone is not a toy (or at least, not just a toy) - it has their communications history, their bank information, their passwords, any many more. And it's really easy to steal people's phones on the subway. This isn't about freedom of computing, this is about the fact that an iPhone in BFU is nearly as secure as a GrapheneOS phone.

There are many problems with Apple software. It's buggy, uses proprietary formats that you can't export, and interoperable with open standards. It's bad, and is the primary reason why I won't buy another iPhone, but Macs have that same problem. On the other hand, being cryptographically locked-down is an optional feature. If you don't like it, buy a computer without that feature. It's harmful to us, to tinkerers and people who want to see how things work, but the average person does not care at all and just wants to be able to open LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs without having their 401k get drained.

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#92
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have long wished for a future when I could just plug my phone into a KVM and have a full desktop experience.

Samsung DEX isn't far off from this, it's just that you're limited to Android instead of Linux, MacOS etc. But Apple will surely never allow such a thing since their main interest is in selling as many pieces of hardware to each of the Apple Faithful as possible. So they with a straight face suggest that a single human needs an iPad Pro (which easily tops $1500 with the eye-wateringly-expensive keyboard and a storage…

>"Samsung DEX isn't far off from this"

I have the latest and greatest and can attest that the experience is atrocious

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#93
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been hoping Apple would allow this for years, although it doesn’t seem like something they would do. The fact that iPadOS now has windowing seems like it would only make it work better. iPads can already do everything necessary, so why not the iPhone? Unfortunately I suspect that if this was ever going to happen, which I would’ve bet against, it’s now let’s likely. I suspect current Apple would rather sell me a…

If the rumored folding phone with a close-to-iPad-mini UI handles USB monitor connections the same as the iPad, that would give the basic version right there, albeit at a huge base price.

I hadn’t thought of that. In my mind I think Apple will say “not an iPad, you don’t get it” but the distinction (hardware UI wise) would be much much fuzzier than today.

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#94

Apple's latest monitor is more powerful than the NEO, it has: * A19 Pro CPU (the NEO only has the A18 Pro) * 12GB of RAM (the NEO only has 8GB of RAM) * 128GB of NAND storage for iOS (ok this is less than the NEO) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Studio_Display#Technical...

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Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#95

Is this news to anyone? of course it is! The reason that they don't let you run MacOS is absolutely arbitrary, in support of you buying another device. It also allows them to avoid the cost of supporting MacOS in another form-factor. This feels more like a facebook post that would shock my mom then a HN article...

I have long wished for a future when I could just plug my phone into a KVM and have a full desktop experience.

I do that with my Pinephone (a powered USB-C hub with ethernet, HDMI, keyboard and mouse; I also plug a proper set of speakers+subwoofer into headphone jack).

Both Phosh and PlasmaMobile turn into a "proper" desktop when "docked" (Gnome-like and KDE-like, respectively).

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#96

Apple's latest monitor is more powerful than the NEO, it has: * A19 Pro CPU (the NEO only has the A18 Pro) * 12GB of RAM (the NEO only has 8GB of RAM) * 128GB of NAND storage for iOS (ok this is less than the NEO) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Studio_Display#Technical...

You didn't mention the part that it costs five times as much.

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#97
This is sooo true. I have multiple computing ideas that I want to do just for fun but I am not doing because each requires buying a mini-pc, sometimes with a screen too, and put Linux + my app on it.

At the same time I have multiple old phones laying around, Pixels, iPhones, Galaxy that are out of date, have cracked screens or worn out batteries.

Each one of these old phones have same or more computing power than a $300 mini-pc, but I can't use them because I can't just ssh into them and install an app...

Sad, really.

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#98

I really don't understand the argument here. That the product is locked down by design is a feature, not a limitation. Yes, this has the side effect of making them more money and allowing a walled garden to form, but given that the vast majority of users wouldn't do anything different with their phones if a shell was present, this is in my opinion not that large of an effect. The snide around "clicking on links is da…

I understood this stance more 10 years ago, but now we have many layers of fairly well documented exploit tactics and none of them rely on the app store. However forcing users to use an app store was supposed to benefit us has clearly failed.

And, somehow, the indignity of being forced into paying apple a 30% tax for a market they wholly own never comes up alongside other paternalistic arguments....

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#99
Why not just get a Linux phone running Ubuntu Touch or postmarketOS. You'd have full root access, sideloading etc and none of that corporate control, likely for half the price of an iPHone. Sure you'd lose all the Apple look/feel but at least you can do what you want with the phone.

Re: Your phone is an entire computer

#100

This is sooo true. I have multiple computing ideas that I want to do just for fun but I am not doing because each requires buying a mini-pc, sometimes with a screen too, and put Linux + my app on it. At the same time I have multiple old phones laying around, Pixels, iPhones, Galaxy that are out of date, have cracked screens or worn out batteries. Each one of these old phones have same or more computing power than a $…

The pixels all ship with unlocked bootloaders.
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