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Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by coffeebeqn »

DaedalusII wrote: post #29
benrutter wrote: post #15

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I like that saying but those are all entrepreneurs right? Where are all the philosopher wannabe billionares? From my experience they seem pretty happy in relatively low paying professor jobs.

nassim taleb is primarily a philosopher who pretends to be a hedge fund guy, jordan peterson, robert kiyosaki, tim ferriss maybe, sam bankman fried, the tech lead yt archetype is people who sell their success as a model for you to follow while having none themselves, wrapped up as some kind of philosophical position, so they can make money lots of self help authors, failed vc funds, podcasts

That’s all tech bros and self-help gurus? I guess anyone can claim themselves to be an “philosopher”

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by dep_b »

kubb wrote: post #52
gambiting wrote: post #36

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I grew up in a religious household as a Roman Catholic, in an extremely religious country(Poland) and I've never heard anyone talk about apocalypse as something that might happen soon or well...ever. From my point of view, the "christianity" that American Evangelicals practice is almost unrecognizable as having the same base with the religion I grew up with. Like the core tennets of Jesus have been twisted and warped…

Well, even European Evangelicals are vastly different from their American counterparts. There's no megachurches, prosperity gospel, televangelism, and the religion is not as strongly intertwined with politics.

Poland is quite intertwined.

But Catholicism has its own government, which prevents individual catholic countries to veer off too much.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by user3939382 »

kubb wrote: post #42
seanalltogether wrote: post #25

I grew up in a pretty religious household and my parents fully believed that Armageddon would happen in our lifetime. It wasn't until I was older that I realized there were a lot of American Christians that secretly held this belief, and that it has a meaningful influence on how voters want American politicians to deal with Israel and the Middle East in general.

Out of curiosity, what grounds their belief that it's going to happen soon? Why not in a thousand years? As far as I know, there is no mention of the exact date in the Bible.

Not only is there no date, it explicitly says the time and date is not known to us.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by kubb »

dep_b wrote: post #92
kubb wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, even European Evangelicals are vastly different from their American counterparts. There's no megachurches, prosperity gospel, televangelism, and the religion is not as strongly intertwined with politics.

Poland is quite intertwined. But Catholicism has its own government, which prevents individual catholic countries to veer off too much.

Poland isn't Evangelical.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by NalNezumi »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #73
camillomiller wrote: post #46

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Genuine questions: what can be done in a democratic setting to stop him? Who should take into their hands the job to stop him, and to what lengths should they push themselves?

> Genuine questions: what can be done in a democratic setting to stop him? Thiel is only "relevant" because he's wealthy. In a system that allows wealth to equal political power, systematically weakening the impact of wealth on civic and political systems is an effective method. Whether that can be done in America, with the current understanding of the constitution and the current philosophy that many take towards ta…

The difference to robber Baron this time is that those companies have gone global, so a new Teddy Roosevelt being elected in USA wouldn't help, because these multinationals can just extend outside jurisdiction. Which is very similar to the actual dynamic of states/federal that Teddy tackled [1]

Unfortunately the political rhetoric have smeared "the globalists" and equated people that want global coordination to limit those multinationals with power, with the ones abusing it. Even the platform that was promising to drain the swamp turns out was just another swamp, so one would need to start from the scratch for that political movement.

[1] https://youtu.be/ItKtQCAZHhg

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by torben-friis »

sklargh wrote: post #35
torben-friis wrote: post #28

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>its not a common belief among Catholics, and its rarely discussed by them. I'll do you one further, as someone from a deeply catholic country: Considering the triggering of Armaggedon in daily politics is seen as batshit crazy.

American Catholics aren't really a monolith on this matter...or any. There are substantial differences between Catholics who seek out Jesuit parishes and those who seek out the Tridentine Mass and people who are just achieving physical presence and thinking about kickoff at 5:00 PM Sunday Mass to fulfill obligation and get out ASAP (no choir please, keep that sermon snappy). All of these are spiritually valid approac…

The same is true here, yes. You'll see widely different stances and practical approaches to topics like immigration, premarital sex, and so on. Some people are strict, some people self define as catholic but only see church during weddings and funerals.

Putting effort in triggering the end of the world is nowhere on the spectrum though. I think if you told a priest you're pushing for that he would be seriously alarmed, like calling the police alarmed if you hold power.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

breppp wrote: post #87
seanalltogether wrote: post #25

I grew up in a pretty religious household and my parents fully believed that Armageddon would happen in our lifetime. It wasn't until I was older that I realized there were a lot of American Christians that secretly held this belief, and that it has a meaningful influence on how voters want American politicians to deal with Israel and the Middle East in general.

That belief is very common in secular settings. Marx and current day offshoots believed in a war that will bring redemption and utopia, other complete atheists believe in the inevitable environmental disaster (not whether it is happening but the belief that it cannot be prevented or fixed)

Also similar is a belief in the AI singularity.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by dandanua »

fabian2k wrote: post #44

It is disconcerting to see that quite a few of the well-known billionaires seem to have just outright insane beliefs. And those are people with real power and the ability to influence events on a larger scale.

I would say it is natural that humans with so much power go crazy. What is not natural is allowing them to have that power in the first place. If a society allows that, it deserves anything that could happen to it, whether it's Armageddon, climate change, pollution, idiocracy, or whatever.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

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Post by mattkevan »

celdon25 wrote: post #82
mattkevan wrote: post #38

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Greta Thunberg, according to Thiel (seriously).

I personally think that when he mentioned her name during that interview, it was intended to be used as an archetypal proxy in place of someone else (another public figure) that he had personal dealings with. Yudkowsky checks those same boxes (mission focused on specific existential risk, gets a cult following) for example. That being said, I don’t care much for Christian prophecies. Better to talk why than who.

There’s nothing Christian about what Thiel is talking about here, even if he does wrap it up in the bible.

Whether you believe in Christianity or not, his views are deeply, deeply heretical. He’s so far out of pocket he’s in a completely different pair of trousers.

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