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Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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This theory of how the US loses in Iran is looking increasingly likely: https://kasperbenjamin.substack.com/p/why-the-us-will-lose-t... It's going to be incredibly difficult to stop Iran being able to kneecap both the global economy and in particular the gulf states, who are going to be motivated to put maximum pressure on the US to sue for peace. Incredible hubris and a lobotomised diplomatic and intelligence infras…

Wars are hard to predict and the economy is hard to predict. There's easy money in the making for those who are sure the oil price is going to continue way up. The blog you reference has inaccuracies. Drones are generally not shot by THAAD is a glaring one. It's very much not 2-3 million dollars to $50k. Helicopter gunships shoot down drones with bullets these days is very common and there are other economic means of…

Why type so much with not a single drop of sourced information?

> Everyone seems to be an expert today.

> I'm not an expert. But

Is this post intended as a joke?

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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This is worrying about trivialities. We need to be rapidly phasing out fossils usage to mitigate the climate catastrophe. Which of course requires a much much smaller supply of oil. There should be ~ $250/barrel cost added to the market price to account for externalities (barrel of oil releases 0.43 tons of co2 and avg social cost of carbon from https://arxiv.org/html/2402.09125v3 is $500+/ton)

I've found it mind boggling for at least a decade (since solar panels started being a relatively normal consumer addition to the home) that a transition to electric and away from fossil fuels hasn't been an, essentially, national security priority for all countries other than those that produce oil. The dependence, of literally almost everything, on the continuous flow of oil from few parts of the world has been an o…

Look at who advocated to define natural gas as green in EU. The political block that has done the majority of advocating against fossil fuel industries were also the same block that advocate to maintain existing fossil fuel in the power grid. Those same parties are also the one advocating the need to maintain and expand thermal power stations in order to enable more renewable energy, and a increase in energy transmission between nations in order to address the intermittence problem of renewables.

The other block in contrast are advocating in favor of fossil fuel industries, but are mixed (some in favor, some against) in regard to thermal power stations, and primarily promotes nuclear for the grid. They are also those that usually bring up national security and energy independence, with reduce dependencies on energy trading to maintain the grid. That block voted against the decision to define natural gas as green.

So the political state in EU is that one block promotes fossil fuel in the grid, and the other promotes it in the industries and transportation. We need to be rapidly phasing out fossils usage to mitigate the climate catastrophe, but no side is really willing to give up on what those fossil fuels enable, and that is despite the now many years of wars that have major impact on economy and security.

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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This is worrying about trivialities. We need to be rapidly phasing out fossils usage to mitigate the climate catastrophe. Which of course requires a much much smaller supply of oil. There should be ~ $250/barrel cost added to the market price to account for externalities (barrel of oil releases 0.43 tons of co2 and avg social cost of carbon from https://arxiv.org/html/2402.09125v3 is $500+/ton)

I've found it mind boggling for at least a decade (since solar panels started being a relatively normal consumer addition to the home) that a transition to electric and away from fossil fuels hasn't been an, essentially, national security priority for all countries other than those that produce oil. The dependence, of literally almost everything, on the continuous flow of oil from few parts of the world has been an o…

It's also amazing that, if the rich, non-oil producing countries of the world actually went and transitioned away from oil, these ""problematic"" countries would lose all their power. All the middle eastern militaries are founded by oil an gas exports, the autocratic regimes are kept in power via military might, and the only reason why they matter in the international stage is that they export oil and gas.

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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I think it’s wild to me just how much my mainstream news doesn’t feel like it’s covering some of what’s really going on. I have to go to YouTube to see that Iran is successfully fighting back in many ways including hitting oil tankers and depots. Not that I’m claiming the CBC and such are doing something sinister here. Just that I no-longer get the full story vibe I recall getting back in previous U.S. wars.

Corporate media in this moment is... not great. Figuring out what takes its place is a hard problem that no one seems to have cracked. I don't know if its replacement will be very profitable, but we all lose out when media isn't working. Having a shared reality is fundamental for a healthy society.

Bellingcat is a good one to follow.

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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"fighting back" == blowing 3rd party civilian installations.

It is similar to way how Russia / Ukraine war is fought. Both sides will show you when civilian area is hit and both sides will try to conceal actual hits on sensitive military targets. So in the news you will see that Iranians are bombing hotels, but what you won't see is that Iranians were able to knock out for example THAAD and now USA needs to move one in Korea into the Middle East.

Except here the entire Iranian strategy (what's left of it) _relies_ on targeting civilian 3rd parties. Without threatening Gulf oil, they've got nothing.

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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There are several issues with that math. To begin with, it assumes that oil currently used domestically isn't on the market, but what do you expect oil producers to do if foreign buyers make a higher bid for the "domestic" oil? Or to put it another way, there's a reason the market price goes up by essentially the same amount in the oil-producing countries as everywhere else. Then it assumes that oil that currently go…

Much of that domestic consumption is used in the process of extraction and refining, so actually isn't on the market as such. My understanding is that GP is correct to say that the 20% figure rather understates the potential impact of a prolonged shutdown of the Strait. Pipeline capacity to the west is pretty limited. The connection via Syria is affected by the war aftermath, the Iraq/Turkey route is already at capac…

> Much of that domestic consumption is used in the process of extraction and refining, so actually isn't on the market as such. My understanding is that GP is correct to say that the 20% figure rather understates the potential impact of a prolonged shutdown of the Strait.

The original claim was that all of the "domestic" oil was off the market.

It's also not clear why oil used for oil production requires special treatment. To the extent that it's used for transportation it's susceptible to substitution with electric vehicles like anything else. To the extent that it's used for heat in refineries it could likewise be substituted with non-petroleum heat sources when oil is at a premium. More than that, many of those costs also apply to unrefined oil currently going through the Strait, so that proportion is on both sides of the ledger anyway.

And to the extent that it can't be substituted, it's just a fairly arbitrary subclass of the broader category of consumers with inelastic demand, which implies that oil-producing countries might have a higher percentage of inelastic demand (even then assuming that oil production has more inelastic demand for oil than other things), but by significantly less than the proportion used in oil production, because it's just being averaged in to the broader category of all short-term inelastic global oil consumption.

> Pipeline capacity to the west is pretty limited. The connection via Syria is affected by the war aftermath, the Iraq/Turkey route is already at capacity, and the Saudi connection to the Red Sea is vulnerable to resumption of Houthi attacks. There's some connectivity via Oman, but that's largely natural gas rather than oil.

Pipelines are the most efficient way to transport it, not the only way. You import some tanker trucks and drivers and you can transport as much as you want, but it'll cost more. We're not even talking about thousands of miles, bypassing the Strait of Hormuz via a land path in the UAE is about an hour.

And the Houthis are a problem if you're trying to get to Asia, not Europe. The Saudi pipeline goes to the Red Sea well north of Yemen and from there has a sea path to Europe via the Suez canal.

On top of that, the Iranian military is already in a full conflict with the US. Whereas if the US parks an aircraft carrier with satellite support in the narrow part of the Red Sea ready to rain down fire on any Houthis that attack an oil tanker, but is otherwise going to leave them alone, how many do they have who are inclined to choose certain death to attack a ship most likely destined for Asia out of "solidarity"?

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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This theory of how the US loses in Iran is looking increasingly likely: https://kasperbenjamin.substack.com/p/why-the-us-will-lose-t... It's going to be incredibly difficult to stop Iran being able to kneecap both the global economy and in particular the gulf states, who are going to be motivated to put maximum pressure on the US to sue for peace. Incredible hubris and a lobotomised diplomatic and intelligence infras…

Wars are hard to predict and the economy is hard to predict. There's easy money in the making for those who are sure the oil price is going to continue way up. The blog you reference has inaccuracies. Drones are generally not shot by THAAD is a glaring one. It's very much not 2-3 million dollars to $50k. Helicopter gunships shoot down drones with bullets these days is very common and there are other economic means of…

> Helicopter gunships shoot down drones with bullets these days is very common and there are other economic means of bringing them down.

> Everyone seems to be an expert today.

Pot meet kettle?

Speaking as a former helicopter gunship weapons and tactics instructor (WTI), this is a VERY broad generalization. Sure, a gunship can shoot down a drone with 20mm or 30mm but you have to get pretty close. And first you have to find it.

Other factors 1. target altitude 2. air superiority (MANPADS is a real threat over land) 3. marksmanship

It might be more effective to throw AIM-9s on helos and target drones that way...but depending on the generation of missile those run ~$300k each and the inventory is limited.

I have heard the Ukrainians are using APKWS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon...) against drone to good effect from ground and air platforms.

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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> There is no way the US/Israel didn't calculate that: ... the straight would be closed It has always had this potential, as it has happened before: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Will (1987). But based on this history I would assume that many in the admin did not find the threat as credible as it was then. We dont seem to have a good grasp on how things have gone in the black sea. We clearly did…

If the US decided that stopping oil production in Iran was important (restricting global oil supply), what other options does the US have ease the impact on oil prices other than Russian sanction easement? Yeah, it looks bad, but there just isn't really any other ways for the US to magically pump more oil out of the ground instantaneously to compensate for the war.

That's exactly what we are doing, releasing the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

The fact that it's both a record release and still not sufficient suggests they underestimated how bad it would be. But the US did prepare for this eventuality. And now we're throwing away our ability to be prepared for any upcoming crisis.

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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1/ When authors use AI for editing, it reduces their credibility. 2/ As much as I don't like the current administration (and Israel leadership), there is absolutely no way the assumptions this article makes about them are false. There is no way the US/Israel didn't calculate that: - the straight would be closed - a new leader may represent similar idiologies of the past leader. Everything that has happened so far (in…

> There is no way the US/Israel didn't calculate that: I don't really believe the buffoons in US leadership calculate much. It's all vibes. I firmly believe it will become a case study in how many ways a comically incompetent government can damage a country. As for Israel... I think their calculation is simple. They don't really care about how much damage they cause to the world economy, as long as they get to kill M…

Israel will aggressively destroy anyone who attacks or intends to attack them. They have peaceful relations with Muslim nations, Jordan and Egypt especially. I acknowledge Israel's current two decade strategy with the Palestinians is not kind, but they aren't cartoon villains that just want to kill Muslims.

Re: Oil hits $100 a barrel despite deal to release record amount of reserves

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Trump, the neo-cons, and much of the Republican party might as well hang up their hats if they put boots on the ground (beyond special forces which is often ignored for some reason). The US will be bogged down for years at a minimum if we entered Iran on the ground, or we would lose quickly and tuck tail. This isn't a fight to be won in a conventional war, the administration put every chip they had on a gamble that r…

Everyone says there's no historical examples but there is no exact parallel either. I wouldn't argue based on historical precedence here. The challenge is that regime is large and armed and they can hide and weather the storm. They'll hide in hospitals, and mosques, and schools and amongst civilians. Getting them and disrupting their organization to a point where a popular revolt can take over seems ... lessay hard.…

> What needs to happen is that some parts of the military, who are a bit less fanatic, switches sides.

Then they need to drive the rest out of the country, and then keep them out forever, regardless of whatever chaos, instability, and misery arise within the country.

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