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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by suzzer99 »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #74
nitwit005 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me the issue isn't seeming inhuman, but cost. Employers often seem happy to impose rediculous time costs on the people they're hiring: take home tests, long series of interviews, etc. What held that back is they also paid a price. Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.

I hate the take homes because companies seem happy to send them out to people who have literally no chance. Sent after they already have a candidate in mind, sent before the resume has been reviewed, sent before the company has invested even a minute talking to you. So you waste the weekend on this project when you had no chance from the beginning. And the time restrictions they list mean nothing since if you actuall…

I got dinged on my Netflix take home 10 years ago because I used the DOM to store state instead of implementing a shadow DOM. Sure, let me just whip that right up.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by bigfishrunning »

singleshot_ wrote: post #65
tayo42 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certification process like what Cisco has. All companies attempt to give the same interviews, just have one centralized organization give two programing questions and two system design questions and some kind of proof once you pass it. You filter every one that can't pass the interview in the first place, you get a better interview experience, and just focus on experience

This sounds an awful lot like a college diploma.

Lots of people get through engineering school but are terrible engineers. Interviews are important (and difficult... Not many people are good interviewers!)

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by LaGrange »

m348e912 wrote: post #20

There are a number of similarities between applying for a job and looking for a partner (typically through online dating). In both cases, the process is impersonal, rife with rejection, and heartless. The best tactic is to avoid the formal process, whether it's applying via the company website, or swiping right on a profile. Instead use an inside source, an employee you know at the company you are interested in, or a…

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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by skeuomorphism »

arctic-true wrote: post #16
JohnFen wrote: post #2

> If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired? For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

I had this experience when I was trying to find an apartment - multiple different buildings very clearly had AI-generated responses. (To all you builders out there: quick replies are great. Instant replies are suspicious.) I immediately stopped considering them as options. If you can’t be bothered to have a human respond to my email when I’m trying to give you my money, what level of service can I expect once I’m alr…

This is more or less the go-to standard in the usa. One property manager handles possibly hundreds in an association, or dozens of townhomes, and will refuse to speak to you directly, except through a maintenance request system. Its incredibly depressing

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by imiric »

The obvious solution is to use "AI" to do these interviews for you. If the company doesn't want a human to represent them, why should the candidate?

I can see how "AI" applications can be annoying for companies as well, but this knife cuts both ways. An interview is a meeting to determine if there's mutual interest, not a one-sided conversation.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by bluefirebrand »

suzzer99 wrote: post #91
SchemaLoad wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate the take homes because companies seem happy to send them out to people who have literally no chance. Sent after they already have a candidate in mind, sent before the resume has been reviewed, sent before the company has invested even a minute talking to you. So you waste the weekend on this project when you had no chance from the beginning. And the time restrictions they list mean nothing since if you actuall…

I got dinged on my Netflix take home 10 years ago because I used the DOM to store state instead of implementing a shadow DOM. Sure, let me just whip that right up.

Outstanding.

I've done quite a few interviews and as long as the interviewee maybe said something like "it would be better to use a shadow DOM" and could explain what a shadow DOM is, I would be pretty happy with that

Expecting someone to build a full shadow DOM as part of their interview take home is excessive

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by dwohnitmok »

nitwit005 wrote: post #75
tmoertel wrote: post #69

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> Getting a lot of applications that don't meet your standard doesn't force you to raise you[r] bar. You still just need someone who meets your standard. I'm not sure that first sentence true. Let me play Devil's advocate: What's the primary cause of not being able to find someone who meets your standard when you already get lots of applications? It's that your hiring process is bogged down by the masses of unwanted…

Arbitrary filtering of candidates is always an option, but then you may as well do it as cheaply as possible. Throw out half the resumes.

Arbitrary filtering of candidates doesn't reduce the effort that it takes. Let's say 1 out of 1000 of the candidates you see is what you need. The total amount of effort to find the right candidate is still the same. But throwing out half the resumes just doubles the amount of time until you find the candidate you need (you just spread lower effort over a longer time).

On the other hand if you "raise your bar" (let's say you do so by some method that makes it twice as expensive to judge a candidate; twice as likely to reject a candidate that would fit what you need, i.e. doubles your false negative rate; but cuts down on the number of applications by 10x, so that now 1 out of 100 candidates are what you need, which isn't that far off the mark for certain kinds of things), you cut down the effort (and time) you need to spend on finding a candidate by over double.

EDIT: On reflection I think we're mainly talking past each other. You are thinking of a scenario where all stages take roughly the same amount of effort/time, whereas tmorel and I are thinking of a scenario where different stages take different amounts of effort/time. If you "raise the bar" on the stages that take less amount of effort/time (assuming that those stages still have some amount of selection usefulness) then you will reduce the overall amount of time/energy spent on hiring someone that meets your final bar.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by bigfishrunning »

gombosg wrote: post #57
ossa-ma wrote: post #9

Perfectly encapsulates the state of the job market. Interviewing is genuinely a hellscape at this point and I've experienced many interviews where there was a complete breakdown of etiquette/guidelines and good faith. One was so bad I had to write about it: https://ossama.is/writing/betrayed

I'm sorry for your experience, but loved the painting at the end... :)

The completely unrelated painting ;)

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by toomanyrichies »

JohnFen wrote: post #2

> If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired? For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

Indeed- if they'll hire you via AI, they're likely to fire you via AI, when the time inevitably comes.
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