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Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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The US needs a parliamentary system. Trump would have been dumped already. Instead we have to wait 3 more years to end this insanity.

> Instead we have to wait 3 more years to end this insanity. Pray that you'll see the end of it in 3 years. It would be surprise if that ship can be turned around.

Pray? Is this the new federalized form of voting for November and onward?

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Price of a nation disagreeing from turning its people into lowly peasants of the Global Liberal Borg (TM)'s and not accepting its "assigned" role of satrap-y. In contrast, look at the ignominious history in India (-n subcontinent) over the past millennia - whose moron elites are so deluded that they end up selling even more Anglo-American colonization in the name of decolonization. Fascinating evolution of these two…

Tell me: is the US supposed to stand idly by while the Iranian regime develops nuclear weapons? They pursue nuclear weapons of their own volition, by the way. There are paranuclear states and nuclear threshold states which have not pursued nuclear weapons and have delivered on providing for their people in every manner in which a human society needs. So what does Iran hope to achieve that diplomacy cannot? At what po…

Yes, I am fine standing idly by as Iran gets nukes, just as we did nothing when Israel got nukes, and we didn't really do much besides sanctions after North Korea got nukes. Of all these three examples of nuclear states, Israel is the only one that actually committed espionage against the US to obtain nuclear secrets, and we didn't bomb them.

The USSR also committed espionage to steal nuclear secrets from the US and we didn't bomb them either, so perhaps that is the secret? If you steal US nuclear secrets we "stand idly by" but if you develop the nukes on your own or by stealing someone else's secrets, then we go to war?

I'm really struggling to understand when someone getting nukes is reason to go to war against them, I don't see the other side making any rational arguments that don't boil down to "I don't like country X, and so want to see them weaker, but I do like country Y so I don't mind if they get stronger". But that's a very subjective judgment and should not drive national policy.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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After they killed 40k+ in Jan? Perhaps.

Every weeks that number increases. Two weeks ago it was 30k, a week ago it was 35k, now it's 40k+, but OSINT sources keep the number around 15k (including 1.3 k from the Iranian government own forces) and don't move it up. I'm pretty sure the real number is higher than the one OSINT resources can give, considering the uprising and repression also happened in small, less connected cities, but the constant increase is…

There have been numbers as high as 90k reported initially, so I wouldn't say it is "moving up" across time but across sources. There is no clear data, but at this point 30-32k appears to be the lower bound estimate over which there's a consensus. Likely to be higher.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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There is no alternative. Just be thankful it's not the Soviet Union.

There's always an alternative.

Take it to the final form. It's game theory. The US is promoting system that enables a Nash equilibrium. By playing by the US' rules you empower yourself and you empower those around you. And the US takes a service fee for operating the market.

The alternative is trying to fight that, and if you're picking a fight with the strongest player, you're playing to lose.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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I was wondering today how many people will develop cancer in a few years because of this. Why must Israel be so duplicitous? It is exhausting.

It all started with the war in Gaza. We, the West collectively, with the exception of only a few European states like Spain and Ireland, allowed them to perpetrate war crimes, which were rarely met with criticism, let alone consequences.

The "war" in Gaza?

Seemed mostly like a nation state bombing refugees to me...

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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what stops us to use the same naming and call it USA Regime, Israeli Regime at this point?

Nothing stops you, but I suppose murdering tens of thousands of your own people is a fairly clear delineation that you are not a singular entity?

Give it time...

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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As far as I know, most countries don't require such an agreement because they don't develop nuclear weapons. Are we forgetting that Iran has autonomy?

Most counties have signed non proliferation agreements.

Iran themselves are an NPT signatory! And yet they pursue nuclear weapons while countries like Japan, Germany, Canada and Netherlands do not.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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I’d be glad to see evidence that people voted for interventions in the Middle East, if you have any. My impression is that a key part of Trump’s campaign was ending excessive foreign wars. There are lots of clips going around with him saying this.

Trump's approval rating among his base is still overwhelmingly high. They know what they were voting for, and they still support him. They know that Trump lies like he breathes, and they are perfectly fine with that . Trump supporters themselves are largely liars. They do not openly state the positions they actually hold. That Trump says X and does Y is fine because his supporters say X and believe Y. Words are a gam…

But will they still support him if gas prices and general inflation spike hard, as is nearly a given if Trump doesn't back out from the war?

My impression is that most of his voters are selfish and couldn't care less for other people's woes (migrants, sexual abuse victims, Iranians or whatever), but will care if his antics hit their own pockets. I'm not American so I may well be wrong, though.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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There's always an alternative.

Take it to the final form. It's game theory. The US is promoting system that enables a Nash equilibrium. By playing by the US' rules you empower yourself and you empower those around you. And the US takes a service fee for operating the market. The alternative is trying to fight that, and if you're picking a fight with the strongest player, you're playing to lose.

I agree that's what the US used to do.

Now it's threatening to invade NATO allies, and other allies are deploying troops to deter that; Which makes perfect sense because you cannot appease authoritarians.

The US is in fairly rapid, self inflicted, decline at this point.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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I said will , please read comments more thoroughly before replying. Everybody agrees this war will drag for some time. Care to backup those wild claims with any facts? The video of tomahawk I talk about is circulating all over internet, so its pretty uphill battle to discredit it when clearly tomahawks are landing

Trump himself confirmed this on Air Force One earlier today. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/03/07/trump-... Nothing about this is such a wild claim if you are familiar with their past behavior. There were Persian language sources inside Iran that immediately after the incident attributed it to IRGC missile misfire, before some outlets started using that as propaganda material (which by the way played…

It's ridiculous to say "Trump himself confirmed this" as reliable source of truth.
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