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Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by lapcat »

ceejayoz wrote: post #77
lapcat wrote: post #56

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> the other would very much like to take action on the issue if they had the political power. They had political power! During the Biden administration, during the Obama administration, during the Clinton administration. Al Gore is a famous environmentalist... for making a movie after he was out of power. What the hell did he do for the environment when he was literally in the Oval Office, at the side of the Presiden…

> What the hell did he do for the environment when he was literally in the Oval Office, at the side of the President? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_activism_of_Al_G... Guy tried.

> Guy tried.

Give him a sticker.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by gamerdonkey »

slibhb wrote: post #60
microsoftedging wrote: post #38

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Op was referencing a comic [0] Furthermore, yes, getting to the point where we're no longer starving and in thatched huts did require fossil fuels, but now we know what they do, and that they're actively having an effect on the environment, and clearly us, are we so stuck in our ways we can't change our actions to secure a life for those that come after? [0] https://www.bureauofinternetculture.art/memes/shareholder-v…

What difference does it make what they're referencing? I'm glad we agree that fossil fuels were necessary. It has nothing to do with "shareholder value" -- it has to do with minimizing human suffering. Also, it's noteworthy that US emissions peaked in 2007. We're down ~20% since then. The world is absolutely addressing climate change, and the worst case scenarios have already been avoided. Faster would be better but…

> and the worst case scenarios have already been avoided.

Do you have a source on this?

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by myaccountonhn »

slibhb wrote: post #78
ChromaticPanic wrote: post #73

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Consumerism is the problem. If fossil fuels were used on necessities sure. Single use plastics, individually packaged consumables, planned obsolescence are examples of things that are not necessary. These examples have all to do with shareholder value.

Consumerism is not the problem. Human beings don't stop wanting to improve their lives once they have the bare necessities and there is nothing wrong with this . We can have our cake and eat it, we just need to transition to cleaner forms of energy. Which we are doing.

No, just cleaner energy is not enough.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by lapcat »

mrguyorama wrote: post #88
lapcat wrote: post #56

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> the other would very much like to take action on the issue if they had the political power. They had political power! During the Biden administration, during the Obama administration, during the Clinton administration. Al Gore is a famous environmentalist... for making a movie after he was out of power. What the hell did he do for the environment when he was literally in the Oval Office, at the side of the Presiden…

>During the Biden administration, during the Obama administration, during the Clinton administration The president doesn't actually control much in the USA, despite the nonsensical shit republican congresses let them get away with. Obama, Biden, and Clinton could not do anything that wasn't approved by congress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_Stat... Democrats have not really held enough powe…

> A 1 or 2 vote "majority" in a chamber is not really meant to allow you to do anything.

1) Democrats had a filibuster-proof super-majority during Obama's first term.

2) The filibuster is not in the Constitution. It can be abolished at any time by a simple majority vote.

The Democrats don't do anything because they don't want to do anything. There's always a convenient excuse. You can blame Manchin or Sinema or whomever, but they're Democrats too.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by api »

slibhb wrote: post #27
ThomW wrote: post #3

"Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.“

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This was true until the advent of nuclear energy, and became very much less true after the addition of solar PV, industrial-scale wind, and Li-Ion (and now Na-Ion) batteries.

I'd say this statement has been almost entirely false since roughly 2020. The only areas where fossil fuels aren't readily replaceable are long-haul aviation (only a few percent of global emissions) and long-haul shipping (also a few percent). So we can probably cut emissions by 80-90% with no meaningful impact to standard of living.

At this point the pro fossil fuel position is kind of like "you realize camp fires are why we don't get eaten by lions!" Yes, that was true once.

BTW the degrowthers are also wrong. We can cut emissions by 80-90% without degrowth.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by ceejayoz »

lapcat wrote: post #91
ceejayoz wrote: post #77

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> What the hell did he do for the environment when he was literally in the Oval Office, at the side of the President? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_activism_of_Al_G... Guy tried.

> Guy tried. Give him a sticker.

That's more perks than the job Constitutionally awards. It was created as a powerless placeholder role.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by red75prime »

hxorr wrote: post #41
zdragnar wrote: post #29

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There's an oversimplified assumption here that the plants will be less nutritious, and so people will eat more calories to make up for the deficit. I suspect the presence of protein, fats and sugars influence the hormone production regulating appetite far more than these changes account for. I would expect the same health issues to be affecting other animal species in just as drastic a measure as humans if it were tr…

It's not just an assumption, there is research that shows this. For example: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/as-co2-levels-ris... More specifically, yes, protein content decreases with rising CO2 levels. Maybe not enough to cause obesity on its own, but enough to be a compounding factor. Especially when your staple is, say, rice -- which is what the paper linked above looks at.

Some varieties of rice are less (or positively) affected. Those varieties will be used more.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by lapcat »

embedding-shape wrote: post #80
lapcat wrote: post #25

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> Yes, in one country who seems hellbent on destroying itself. One of the largest countries in the world, measured by size, population, economy, and military. If you hadn't noticed, the US can do a lot of damage to the rest of the world all by itself. And pollution does not respect borders. Global warming does not respect borders.

Right, but again, it'll matter less and less as the US hegemony is dying and other countries will pick up the torch, and the ones who are taking over seem to be a bit more willing to both commit and execute on plans to reduce pollution and global warming in general.

> the US hegemony is dying

The US just deposed the leaders of two countries, Venezuela and Iran, but ok.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by lapcat »

ceejayoz wrote: post #96
lapcat wrote: post #91

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> Guy tried. Give him a sticker.

That's more perks than the job Constitutionally awards. It was created as a powerless placeholder role.

You're missing the point, which is that by all accounts, Al Gore was a close advisor to Bill Clinton.

Re: Rising carbon dioxide levels now detected in human blood

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Post by embedding-shape »

lapcat wrote: post #98
embedding-shape wrote: post #80

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Right, but again, it'll matter less and less as the US hegemony is dying and other countries will pick up the torch, and the ones who are taking over seem to be a bit more willing to both commit and execute on plans to reduce pollution and global warming in general.

> the US hegemony is dying The US just deposed the leaders of two countries, Venezuela and Iran, but ok.

> The US just deposed the leaders of two countries, Venezuela and Iran, but ok.

If that's how you judge what "empires" will be left in a decade, good for you, ignorance is a bliss sometimes I suppose. Don't look at how the average person live and survives, if you want to continue that way...

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