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My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

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Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

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I am glad this essay was on the right side of the fence, otherwise I would have written it myself in response.. Our company is currently one of countless, where we just had a "get with the program" meeting with our PMs, where they showcased stuff they had added to our enterprise system in hours and days, and told us that they expected us to start delivering with the same tools techniques and speed.. Meanwhile, my tea…

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Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

#92

I think technical PMs or product oriented developers are the future most valuable people.

They always have been, long before AI. Some sales engineers can be in the club as well IMHO.

It's pretty normal for integration projects with big corps to have problems, but if the project has executive interest and the A-team gets called in, it's a joy to work with those people. The lines between the roles are blurred, it's just smart and dynamic people making things work. They don't give a shit about following scrum or pedantic coding standards, only project success, but not in a superficial way. I don't know if they truly care about what they're doing, but they're so far above the baseline that it doesn't really matter.

Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

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Text to code is clearly valuable but the code to text capability of LLMs is seriously underrated IMO. I would argue orgs should prioritise giving PMs Claude Code licenses over devs. So much efficiency unlock without the worry about whether vibe code can be shipped to prod.

Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

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post #93

Text to code is clearly valuable but the code to text capability of LLMs is seriously underrated IMO. I would argue orgs should prioritise giving PMs Claude Code licenses over devs. So much efficiency unlock without the worry about whether vibe code can be shipped to prod.

Shipping vibe code to prod is like the dumbest and least useful thing LLMs can do.

Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got laid off at a job where this applied, then at another company got rejected because they cancelled the position altogether to use Agentic Coding by Microsoft instead. Then I joined a small consultancy that just lets me build however I want. There's no reviews, no sprint reviews, no evaluation. They trust that you work on what is important. While this is a very messy and unmaintained workflow, it is a lot nicer a…

In my view, Scrum is a way to force dysfunctional teams to have some process, it is not useful for a team that is already delivering and working in a samll-a agile manner.

If you were to write down a guide on how to avoid team dysfunction, it would get a name or maybe an acronym.

If it worked someone would say, hey let's use this in more places.

If it worked really well others would say these aren't guidelines they're dogma.

Now we have scrum 2.0.

Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

#96

Hot take: only PMs need to code now. With Claude 4.6 Opus, the engineer skill set is no longer useful. Why are we hiring people with code writing ability when code writing ability has no value anymore?

Pretty sure Claude Opus can do a PMs job too.

Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

#97
I read takes like this and I feel like it's gatekeeping.

I love writing software. I love that others are now getting to share this.

I think the issues here are valid. Equally there is lots of hard engineering work to reduce these issues. That's where I'm putting more energy.

My scale is decidedly non-Meta, but we're investing to make the whole team able to get their own PRs up. It's not been without it's bumps, but on the whole I think it's been transformative for everyone.

Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

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post #6

Meta, and other large companies have been encouraging PMs to code, while I've seen many negative responses from engineers having to code review, debug, deal with production issues, etc. stemming from crappy code they don't understand. Metrics and KPIs are being gamed into stupid incentives like lines of code, commits, and tickets closed. Leadership claims they are aware of Goodhart's Law, but their actions show other…

An easy correction is to only merge PRs from folks who are on the on call rota. Those not on rota can either join or have their PR receive heavy scrutiny

This "receive heavy scrutiny" is part of the problem that is raised in the article though:

> You are friends with all the senior TLs, so can get them to review your code, but this is not a high-leverage use of time.

And then, tying back to ops comment, the engineer gets pinged for their bad metric, because of this additional review.

Re: My spicy take on vibe coding for PMs

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post #93

Text to code is clearly valuable but the code to text capability of LLMs is seriously underrated IMO. I would argue orgs should prioritise giving PMs Claude Code licenses over devs. So much efficiency unlock without the worry about whether vibe code can be shipped to prod.

Shipping vibe code to prod is like the dumbest and least useful thing LLMs can do.

exactly.
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