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Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by NewsaHackO »

gck1 wrote: post #78

> Using third-party software, tools, or services to harvest or piggyback on Gemini CLI's OAuth authentication to access our backend services is a direct violation of Gemini CLI’s applicable terms and policies. It's been 2 months since these bans have started, first Anthropic, then Google. And their wording is still so confusing that I can't get a simple answer to a simple question: Is piggybacking on headless 'gemini…

Have you read the website? https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/overview

>Unless previously approved, Anthropic does not allow third party developers to offer claude.ai login or rate limits for their products, including agents built on the Claude Agent SDK. Please use the API key authentication methods described in this document instead.

Seems clear-cut to me.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by ptero »

aliljet wrote: post #45
tjoff wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use a custom domain and don't use google for email. And if you do use your gmail address just forward it and start to transition to something else. With time everything of importance has been transferred.

How do you even pull away from a Gmail address? I'm nearly twenty years into that service. Getting banned would be absolutely devastating...

Register your own domain, use a third-party provider to handle actual sending and receiving (I use proton, which makes the setup very easy), forward your Gmail to your personal domain address and as renewals and reminders come in switch your email on services to your personal domain.

After a year or two losing Gmail becomes an inconvenience; after a few more years it is nothing. As everything is now on your own domain name you can switch providers without affecting anything.

That's what I did about 5 years ago and my only regret is not doing it earlier.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by TacticalCoder »

koolba wrote: post #8

Way too risky to use Google services like this tied to your primary account. There’s too much risk of cross damage. Imagine losing access to your Gmail because some Gemini request flags you as an undesirable. The digital death sentence of losing access to your email with a company that notoriously has no way for the average human to contact a human is not worth the risk.

> The digital death sentence of losing access to your email

I agree that the digital death sentence is really bad and doubly so seen that many are using single-sign on tied to their Google identity but...

> with a company that notoriously has no way for the average human to contact a human is not worth the risk

There's definitely phone support for paying Google Workspace users: don't tell me there's not, my wife got Google support on the phone more than once and they've been helpful.

And it's not a crazy expensive subscription either.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by ZekeSulastin »

fooker wrote: post #86
WarmWash wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can buy the tokens via the API and do whatever they want with them. Its not evil of Google to say "Here is an allotment of steeply discounted tokens, but you can only use them with our services."

It is evil to block your email and hold your photos hostage over it though :)

Didn’t they only block Antigravity though, leaving other services available?

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by NewsaHackO »

sneak wrote: post #89
NewsaHackO wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No Google account has been banned for this. People just keep spreading this lie because no one agrees that they have the right to steal the OAuth token.

It's their OAuth token, it's not being stolen. It's just being copied from one place on their computer to another. This is no different than a competing browser importing your localStorage and cookies from Chrome on first launch.

No, the OAuth token is supposed to be used solely with the context of a first-party app only. Clearly, if you need to extract the key by reverse engineering or set up a proxy to spoof requests to a service, you're doing something shady.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by TacticalCoder »

cube00 wrote: post #56
narmiouh wrote: post #46

I see a lot of comments in googles defense, part of me wonders whats the split between google employees(even so people in teams related to these products) and normies who ignore the true underlying issue here… Google consistently fails to provide a process to deal with user issues. You donot see many reports of these at Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, and many more providers. Though Meta learns from google I think.

Microsoft has a had a few high profile cases of locking people out and taking their OneDrive with it with no ability to get support.

> Microsoft has a had a few high profile cases of locking people out and taking their OneDrive with it with no ability to get support.

Yes but as we're talking about Microsoft, these cases are probably explained by incompetence.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by xiphias2 »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #10
jascha_eng wrote: post #5

I still kinda wish that the subscriptions would just allow you to use the tokens however you wish. I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota. But e.g. with open code it doesn't really matter if I use antigravity or gemini-cli the usage should be about the same. What they are actually trying to force you to do is to pay for the tokens that you don't use in their applications to increase their revenue…

> I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota They have no problem with users using their quota on their own software. Because they get the signals. They do have a problem with users using the API in 3rd party software, because they don't get the signals.

I don't really understand this reasoning actually:

if OpenClaw usage go up, and a service (OpenAI it looks like) gets lots of usage data for personal assistent usage, they can optimize to make it better for people who get a $200 subscription just because of that use case.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by sir0010010 »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #74
8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a recommendation for a major email provider as a fallback if you have to pick one? I vaguely recall encountering a service that only accepted addresses from a whitelist of big providers (Gmail, Yahoo, Outlook, etc.), even @icloud did not qualify.

That's a service that doesn't want your business. If you care, message them about it I've never once run into a service with such a restriction, but I can imagine someone being that short-sighted. I have seen services that only support "log in with Google or Facebook", which is comparably terrible.

I've run into services that will flag specific tlds as invalid.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by raincole »

gruez wrote: post #49
jascha_eng wrote: post #5

I still kinda wish that the subscriptions would just allow you to use the tokens however you wish. I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota. But e.g. with open code it doesn't really matter if I use antigravity or gemini-cli the usage should be about the same. What they are actually trying to force you to do is to pay for the tokens that you don't use in their applications to increase their revenue…

>I still kinda wish that the subscriptions would just allow you to use the tokens however you wish. I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota. But e.g. with open code it doesn't really matter if I use antigravity or gemini-cli the usage should be about the same. This is almost as realistic as "I wish netflix or youtube allowed me to use VLC to watch their content".

This is almost as realistic as "I wish OpenAI supports using OpenCode with ChatGPT subscription account."

Oh, except they do[0].

[0]: https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2009742187484065881

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by WarmWash »

fooker wrote: post #86
WarmWash wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can buy the tokens via the API and do whatever they want with them. Its not evil of Google to say "Here is an allotment of steeply discounted tokens, but you can only use them with our services."

It is evil to block your email and hold your photos hostage over it though :)

They only blocked access to Antigravity and GeminiCLI for the offense.
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