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Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by gcr »

Analemma_ wrote: post #84
SonOfKyuss wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling they will end up going with grok.

They'll probably try, but the problem is everyone actually using these models knows Grok sucks: [0]. > Demand from other agencies to use Grok has been anemic, people familiar with the matter said, except in a few cases where people wanted to use it to mimic a bad actor for defensive testing. [0]: https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/elon-musk-xai... ?

The function of fully autonomous AI weaponry is to offload the responsibility for making kill decisions away from the soldier.

Whether the model works accurately or inaccurately doesn’t matter. In some ways, having a trigger-happy model may serve the US military’s interests better than a discerning one.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by pseudalopex »

mingus88 wrote: post #68
Covzire wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone know (more precisely) what the military wanted to use Claude for and what Anthropic was resisting?

Their statement called out automatic weapons targeting and domestic surveillance as two lines they would not cross

Anthropic's statement specified mass domestic surveillance. Not all domestic surveillance. And fully autonomous weapons with today's systems. Not automatic targeting. And not never.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #84
SonOfKyuss wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling they will end up going with grok.

They'll probably try, but the problem is everyone actually using these models knows Grok sucks: [0]. > Demand from other agencies to use Grok has been anemic, people familiar with the matter said, except in a few cases where people wanted to use it to mimic a bad actor for defensive testing. [0]: https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/elon-musk-xai... ?

All American institutions are hemorrhaging talent and knowledge, their foundations intentionally being rotted out. The kleptocrats running the departments and military don't care if we are competent or if their job is done - because their real job is to steal every last drop of wealth they can.

So this whole thing screams of a charade to give Elon Musk more of our hard-earned money as a favor from Trump.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by paganel »

johnbarron wrote: post #23
underdeserver wrote: post #2

Truth social post: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1161445529692... Six-month phase out period, that's something. I guess the DoW's been using Claude quite a bit.

Despite the complete Archie Bunker energy in that post here is something interesting from the post: "Anthropic better get their act together, and be helpful during this phase out period, or I will use the Full Power of the Presidency to make them comply, with major civil and criminal consequences to follow." with major civil and criminal consequences to follow. WTF !!!

That was in the cards since Hegseth's initial announcement, when he brandished the option for Anthropic to be put on the same level as China and Russia, i.e. the same level as State enemies of the US. Got to give it tho Anthropic's CEO, I had first though that he'd give in faster, looks like he's still clinging on.

Also see what happened to Joseph Nacchio in the early 2000s [1]:

> He was convicted of 19 counts of insider trading in Qwest stock on April 19, 2007[2] – charges his defense team claimed were U.S. government retaliation for his refusal to give customer data to the National Security Agency in February, 2001.

Unfortunately, I think the same thing is in the cards now for Anthropic's CEO, that is if he doesn't choose to play ball.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by pogue »

sama2026 wrote: post #70
demuis wrote: post #40

Would love nothing more than for sama to refuse government contracts in solidarity. Free enterprise isn’t free

OpenAI courts Trump and their executives donate to MAGA foundations directly.

From Axios:

What to watch: OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said in a memo to staff on Thursday night that the company will uphold the same red lines as Anthropic on surveillance and autonomous weapons, but still hopes to strike a deal with the Pentagon.

https://www.axios.com/2026/02/27/anthropic-pentagon-supply-c...

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by Covzire »

goatlover wrote: post #89
Covzire wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But.. we already have automatic weapons targeting systems and the PATRIOT act, which enjoys bi-partisan support already providing basically limitless domestic surveillance.

Doesn't mean Anthropic wants their tech making it even worse.

Agreed, but the details released so far are pretty sparse on what exactly was being asked. If they're resisting general AI to help missiles find their target better, then I think it's pretty foolish of Anthropic to resist because that's happening come hell or high water. If it's about resisting mass surveileance without a warrant of American citizens, then I'd cheer Anthropic on for pulling out, but we just don't know apparently.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by thomassmith65 »

Please, Anthropic, make 30 second commercials about this dispute!

Not a hard sell, but just "These are the two demands the government gave us, and here's why we did not agree to them"

It makes the company so attractive to most of the public - not just those who dislike Trump, but also those don't trust government.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by xiphias2 »

seanmcau wrote: post #76
xiphias2 wrote: post #64

For anybody who thinks it's about Trump vs other administration: it's not, both AI surveillance of all people and using it for automatic fight was just bound to happen. The only question is whether the safety of the models were really done well enough to protect the people and be a net positive force in the world. I guess if they would be safely trained to do more good than bad (how Dario and SamA said), there wouldn…

It would/will be extremely irresponsible to put non-deterministic and fallible models in charge of weapons. We are not close to having solved the problem of ensuring AI pursues good outcomes

I agree completely. Anybody who uses the models extensively know it can do something amazing for a prompt and something awful for another. But I also know that wars are unfortunately real and there are real enemies between countries and they don't want a limited model.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by pseudalopex »

Covzire wrote: post #96
goatlover wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't mean Anthropic wants their tech making it even worse.

Agreed, but the details released so far are pretty sparse on what exactly was being asked. If they're resisting general AI to help missiles find their target better, then I think it's pretty foolish of Anthropic to resist because that's happening come hell or high water. If it's about resisting mass surveileance without a warrant of American citizens, then I'd cheer Anthropic on for pulling out, but we just don't kno…

The Department of Defense demanded contracts which would allow any lawful use. Anthropic refused to allow mass domestic surveillance or fully autonomous weapons until fully autonomous weapons could be more reliable.[1]

[1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

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