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Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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> or being so dumbed down and rigid to be actually usable (GNOME, to a lesser extend CDE) What do you find "dumbed down" and unusable about it? Press ctrl-alt-T, and a terminal appears. Begin typing. Press the flag key and a kind of menu thing you can type the name of apps into appears. Type "firefox" or "vscode" as appropriate, begin typing. It could hardly be made any more straightforward.

they still, to this day, pretend the concept of a system tray doesn't exist. unfortunately applications expect one, so they put it behind a menu in a dropdown with a picture of a ghost so you know an app is hiding somewhere it's insane

Okay, what's a "system tray" and what would you use it for?

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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> or being so dumbed down and rigid to be actually usable (GNOME, to a lesser extend CDE) What do you find "dumbed down" and unusable about it? Press ctrl-alt-T, and a terminal appears. Begin typing. Press the flag key and a kind of menu thing you can type the name of apps into appears. Type "firefox" or "vscode" as appropriate, begin typing. It could hardly be made any more straightforward.

Its not that (thats actually really good) its the application design being unsuitable for complex tasks

Can you give an example of that? Which applications? Which tasks?

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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post #82

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they still, to this day, pretend the concept of a system tray doesn't exist. unfortunately applications expect one, so they put it behind a menu in a dropdown with a picture of a ghost so you know an app is hiding somewhere it's insane

Okay, what's a "system tray" and what would you use it for?

a container for information related to your system (datetime, battery, networking, along with custom things that 3rd party apps might put in (automated mouse jiggler, chat client etc)

think i3bar if you need a unix-style equivalency

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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I miss the whole Palm ecosystem. I have noted many times that I had a slab phone with full screen color icon grid general purpose os with internet and countless 3rd party apps for every conceivable purpose,... 7 full years before the iphone. 8 years before the iphone had 3rd party apps. And it wasn't Android it was a Samsung SPH-i300 running PalmOS. It was great that there was not really much of an app store, you got…

> I think the "somehow" is the extremely integrated app store. Previously, if there were any app stores, they didn't really matter. It didn't hurt you not to be in them because hardly any users were either. But today it's basically just a technicality to say that you don't have to be in the official app store, and not even theoretically/technically true in many cases. I don't think this in itself is the cause. Basica…

True. And of course there is no problem with other stores like fdroid.

But somehow google play is different, which is why I added the highly integrated part.

I think fdroid actually helps google play by going so far the other direction that it excludes most apps, so you cannot have fdroid as your only app store. (to be clear I highly approve of fdroids policy and would not change it)

But there are even other app stores that cover both bases, allowing all the non free apos from play store and yet not being google. But then the problem is trust. I trust the apps in say the ubuntu repos and in fdroid, but say Aurora store? ehh, maybe? I would normally not even slightly consider installing apks from a 3rd party like that, but I got an eink tablet that can't install google play, so was more or less forced to try it just on that device. But that's not my phone. I don't have or do anything important or sensitive on it.

So while I am still sure that Google is doing multiple things that keep play store practically unavoidable necessity, it's probably also a combination of other, kind of coincidental factors too like fdroids strict principles and no obvious basis to trust any other store. Maybe some of those other factors are not immutable.

Maybe it's just an impression thing or a failure of marketing and Aurora is exactly the answer and exactly as trustworthy as any official major linux distro repo, and I just don't have that impression for some reason.

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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1. I'll start looking 2. Yes, I was a charter member (who unfortunately, was broke when they offered the chance to buy stock), and it's easy to remember, and everything online account-wise is tied to it, and if I could still be paying for it and having my member FTP/webspace, I would.

- Does the webmail client load in 800x600? - When you load it, and there’s unread mail…does it still tell you in the most glorious way? - Do they comply with modern encryption? I haven’t exchanged email with an AOL or AIM address in 15 years, it seems!

AOLs webmailer is the same as yahoos

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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Its not that (thats actually really good) its the application design being unsuitable for complex tasks

Can you give an example of that? Which applications? Which tasks?

They removed dual-pane splits in the file manager ffs. They replaced gedit with a much less capable text editor. Why are all the buttons so big? Why the padding?

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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I still miss my palm treo, the stylus, and physical keyboard. 20 plus years later and I still cannot use an apple pencil on my iphone... >:(

I carried a Palm Treo 700p until about five years ago. Only as a PDA, no phone or internet access. I used to swear I’d be buried with a Palm in my pocket. But now I am feeling the same way about my iPhone. You can have my iPhone when you take it from my cold, dead…

I still use Palm Desktop (4.1.4, not even 6.2.2!) to manage my contacts.

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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> I think the "somehow" is the extremely integrated app store. Previously, if there were any app stores, they didn't really matter. It didn't hurt you not to be in them because hardly any users were either. But today it's basically just a technicality to say that you don't have to be in the official app store, and not even theoretically/technically true in many cases. I don't think this in itself is the cause. Basica…

True. And of course there is no problem with other stores like fdroid. But somehow google play is different, which is why I added the highly integrated part. I think fdroid actually helps google play by going so far the other direction that it excludes most apps, so you cannot have fdroid as your only app store. (to be clear I highly approve of fdroids policy and would not change it) But there are even other app stor…

Remember that the Play Store was the fourth iteration of an Android app store developed by Google, a global technology giant with vast resources. Earlier non-free, closed-source app stores helped pave the way for what eventually became the modern Play Store. Although you can always sideload an APK file, the foundation of the ecosystem was built on big spenders, whales and freemium games

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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post #94

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Okay, what's a "system tray" and what would you use it for?

a container for information related to your system (datetime, battery, networking, along with custom things that 3rd party apps might put in (automated mouse jiggler, chat client etc) think i3bar if you need a unix-style equivalency

Not something I've ever seen (or noticed, at least) or used.

There's a clock at the top of the screen in Gnome.

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