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First Website (1992)

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Re: First Website (1992)

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Was your script the very first web crawler or did you just have a list?

I'm also curious because I remember that the first time I used the Internet (not internet, as it is nowadays), I had to buy a paper book with categorized links to websites. Connecting... Waiting... It was slow, both because of dial-up kbit/s and ping to websites, and every page felt like you were literally sending a request to another part of the planet. It felt like that was actually happening, and it was very diffe…

"I'm also curious because I remember that the first time I used the Internet (not internet, as it is nowadays), I had to buy a paper book with categorized links to websites."

I was looking at one of these books the other day called "The Internet Yellow Pages"

In the early 90s McGraw Hill published a book with this title

I found a version published by Que (Pearson Education) from 2007 (I suspect there may even be later editions)

That's 14 years into the public www

This was right before the iPhone

I never used these books. The best resources I remember were lists of sites published via FTP

Some of the nostalgia is still easily accessible via textfiles.com

I still use the internet in much the same way I did when I was first connected through a university. UNIX-like OS, no graphics, 100% command line

The main difference between then and now for me is the hardware and bandwidth

Everything is so much faster

IME, generally any slowness today is due (directly or indirectly) to the commercialisation ("monetisation") of _traffic_, e.g., ads, tracking, or having to use Tor to avoid all the nonsense

Originally the idea of commercial use of the internet was to sell products and services (excluding "advertising services"), not to sell and "monetise" _traffic_

Internet subscriber bandwidth is now used by companies for free to perform data collection, surveillance, telemetry, mostly undetected by the subscriber

For example, the majority of "Big Tech" revenues do not come from selling products and (non-advertising) services but from performing data collection, surveillance and "ad services". Even popular subscription software that predated the web, e.g., MS Windows, is engaged in data collection, surveillance and ads/tracking as a "business". Apple, once a traditional hardware company, is engaged in this activity as well

1. I have been doing some information retrieval experiments and the speed can be mind-blowing

Re: First Website (1992)

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Some of the stuff we have been adding since then is GOOD though. Some examples: We now have to accommodate all types of user agents, and we do that very well. We now have complex navigation menus that cannot be accessible without JavaScript, and we do that very well. Our image elements can now have lots of attributes that add a bit of weight but improve the experience a lot. Etc. Also, things are improving/self-corre…

> We now have to accommodate all types of user agents, and we do that very well. Simple websites don't even care about the UA. > We now have complex navigation menus that cannot be accessible without JavaScript, and we do that very well. Is there an actual menu which is more than a tree? Because a dir element that gets rendered by the UA into native menu controls would be just so much better.

Websites do care about the UA. They don’t care, at least most don’t care, about the User-Agent string. That is different.

About an element that gets rendered into native menu controls, I am not sure. I haven’t been following closely for the last two or three years. But that seems like a good candidate for a native element. 9 out 10 websites need it.

Re: First Website (1992)

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"universal access to a large universe of documents"

It's a sad fact that a large part of the web doesn't work without Javascript, a technology which enables privacy-invasive practices (and surveillance capitalism). It wasn't as bad when progressive enhancement was the norm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement

Re: First Website (1992)

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I belive that an early beowser, possibly Mosaic, had an edit button. Think of that and the fundamental change of internet philosophy it implies!

Just yesterday, this blew my mind: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47096599

Thanks for reminding me of this. Used it once or twice to prank co workers.

Re: First Website (1992)

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I found it via gopher and wais - I can't remember which one did what, it was a fair few years ago. I telnetted from my PC to a VAX, then to a X.25 PAD, then onto a Janet system, then to somewhere in the US and then to CERN. Eventually I'd get a menu with a link to the www. I'd then navigate the www with different keystrokes. www was/is free form links to stuff instead of hierarchical menus. It was an evolution not a…

so you're saying that gopher was the web. i've heard it said before. if you are scared to discuss a chicken and egg problem, you are exactly who should hear it.

Don't be daft. gopher and wais are just protocols and via telnet you got a menuing system in what we call a TUI nowadays.

I'm not sure which part of the chicken you are trying to push the eggs back into but please don't.

Re: First Website (1992)

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Ugh, memories. I'm so old my first web browser was Mosaic and I think I saw this. I used a provider called Texas MetroNet that served up dial-up PPP connections for $45 a month on a speedy 28.8K baud modem. Days of wonder, I tell ya. New days of wonder seem to be ahead, though. That said, there's about 100X more angst involved these days.

The then-CFO had a cute anecdote about the day he realized he could turn handshake sounds OFF on the receiving modems (switchboard was in his first office).
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