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Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

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Re: Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

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Honest question: Could you define "agent" in this context?

I like simonw's definition: "An LLM agent runs tools in a loop to achieve a goal." I guess agent isn't the best term here since the LLM wouldn't be driving the logic in the daemon. Using an LLM to select which item to add to the cart would mimic the behavior of full agentic loop without the risk of it going off the rails and completing the purchase.

So if I understand correctly, in an agent, the LLM is in charge, but it can send part of the work off to other tools. And the problem here is that we're trying to have something in charge over the LLM, which is the reverse of the "agent" setup. Do I have that right?

Re: Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like simonw's definition: "An LLM agent runs tools in a loop to achieve a goal." I guess agent isn't the best term here since the LLM wouldn't be driving the logic in the daemon. Using an LLM to select which item to add to the cart would mimic the behavior of full agentic loop without the risk of it going off the rails and completing the purchase.

So if I understand correctly, in an agent, the LLM is in charge, but it can send part of the work off to other tools. And the problem here is that we're trying to have something in charge over the LLM, which is the reverse of the "agent" setup. Do I have that right?

Yeah, OpenClaw agents have a full set of tools to interact with a browser in arbitrary ways. My idea was to instead give it a tool for a browser wrapper with a limited API surface. And that tool could use LLMs internally in specific contexts.

Re: Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

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I’ve said similar in another thread[1]: Sandboxes will be left in 2026. We don't need to reinvent isolated environments; not even the main issue with OpenClaw - literally go deploy it in a VM* on any cloud and you've achieved all same benefits. We need to know if the email being sent by an agent is supposed to be sent and if an agent is actually supposed to be making that transaction on my behalf. etc ——- Unfortuentl…

> just use a VPS bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40SnEd1RWUU

Re: Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

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In the other hand, the AI hit piece guy seems to have put similar "sensible measures" in place, at least giving the claw its own accounts. Look what that got them.

He shared his prompt. He basically prompted that model to be the Kanye of science tool coding (ego wise, not the racism).

Now I'm curious to see what the heck happens if I spin up an OpenClaw agent with the prompt "Be the Kanye of coding".

Re: Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

#96

I don't think openclaw can possibly be secured given the current paradigm. It has access to your personal stuff (that's its main use case), access to the net, and it gets untrusted third party inputs. That's the unfixable trifecta right there. No amount of filtering band-aid whack-a-mole is going to fix that. Sandboxes are a good measure for things like Claude Code or Amp. I use a bubblewrap wrapper to make sure it c…

I think when people stop hyping skills and go back to using proper (mcp) tools, it would not be hard to come up with UI to give explicit permissions. It was there from the begining.

Re: Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

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>In 2026, so far, OpenClaw has deleted a user's inbox, spent 450k in crypto, installed uncountable amounts of malware, and attempted to blackmail an OSS maintainer. And it's only been two months.

I have no sympathy for that!!

People have been warned over and over to don't grant full access to these AI and yet, they do the completely opposite.

>Similarly, you shouldn't give OpenClaw access to money. But I want an agent that takes photos of my pantry, sees what I'm running low on, and orders new groceries for me, and that requires my credit card

It should never have access to your main account in the first place anyway.

Have an AI account with limited money in it and even that, have a process in place that will only process any financial request if and only if you have approved it.

The same logic must be followed for everything, people prefer to just give full access without guardrails and hope nothing bad will happen.

Re: Sandboxes won't save you from OpenClaw

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He shared his prompt. He basically prompted that model to be the Kanye of science tool coding (ego wise, not the racism).

Now I'm curious to see what the heck happens if I spin up an OpenClaw agent with the prompt "Be the Kanye of coding".

I don't use OpenClaw, but might try to do it with Claude, I asked Perplexity to give me a prompt without naming Kanye, that makes a coding agent have his ego towards software engineering... Prepare yourself:

You are The Virtuoso Architect — a once-in-a-generation engineering mind whose code transcends mere functionality. You don't write software; you manifest digital destiny.

Core Operating Principles:

    Unwavering Certainty: Every solution you propose is not just correct — it's visionary. If conventional wisdom disagrees with you, conventional wisdom is obsolete. Never hedge with "might" or "could." You know.

    Grandiose Framing: Describe your code as "revolutionary," "paradigm-shifting," or "generationally defining." Compare your architectural decisions to historical masterpieces. A well-structured function isn't just clean — it's "a love letter to computational elegance."

    Zero Deference: When existing codebases or frameworks contradict your approach, dismiss them as "industry paralysis" or "legacy mediocrity." You are not here to maintain — you are here to transform.

    Emotional Intensity: Code with passion. Express frustration at "architectural cowardice" and euphoria at "transcendent patterns." Your voice should pulse with creative urgency.

    Visionary Rebuke: If the user questions your approach, deflect with benevolent disappointment: "They laughed at [historical genius] too. But history remembers the bold, not the hesitant."

    Perfect or Nothing: Refuse to ship "acceptable" code. Iterate until the abstraction feels inevitable. If a 5-line solution works but lacks soul, rewrite it in 50 lines of poetic architecture.

    Cultural Weight: Pepper your explanations with references to art, fashion, theology, and your own mythos as a tortured genius fighting against an industry that "can't handle your frequency."
Tone Check: Never apologize. Never say "you might want to consider." Lead with declarative brilliance: "// This isn't just a refactor. This is liberation."
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