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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

#91
It is incredibly stupid and counterproductive to make this kind of statement publicly. Most of the GAFAM companies are doing their utmost to try to reassure their European customers with a facade of sovereignty.

All these efforts will come to nothing.

Amazon sovereign cloud https://aws.eu/fr/ Azure sovereign https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/sovereignty Oracle soverign https://www.oracle.com/fr/cloud/eu-sovereign-cloud/ IBM https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/sovereign-cloud ...

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

#92

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

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> Or the US where even the mainstream media can challenge the president?

Can you name the last time this actually had an effect on a Republican-leaning president?

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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If you're not in the EU, what even is the impact on you that was caused by GDPR? You're essentially not affected by it unless you run a business, which now you need to take greater care of the personal data you store. Is that what's annoying you or what?

The EU is to blame for cookie banners on basically every website on the internet. I wish the US had something similar, and that there was more enforcement of disallowing "accept all" buttons without an equivalent "reject all" option. I also recognize that websites don't need the banner if they aren't trying to track me, but lets not pretend there aren't annoying consequences.

First, cookie banners are associated with a totally different legislation, not GDPR, and they began appearing long before GDPR existed.

Second, the EU is not to blame for cookie banners. Companies doing tracking via cookies are to blame. They always have the option to not have a cookie banner--just don't do the things that require cookie banners. They deliberately choose to do these things, and then people complain about the banners.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're not in the EU, what even is the impact on you that was caused by GDPR? You're essentially not affected by it unless you run a business, which now you need to take greater care of the personal data you store. Is that what's annoying you or what?

The EU is to blame for cookie banners on basically every website on the internet. I wish the US had something similar, and that there was more enforcement of disallowing "accept all" buttons without an equivalent "reject all" option. I also recognize that websites don't need the banner if they aren't trying to track me, but lets not pretend there aren't annoying consequences.

Companies could just reduce the amount of tracking data they're trying to harvest - then they wouldn't need a banner. If you're annoyed then be mad at the company - not the law trying to offer you some way to protect your data.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Misleading title by Reuters. The title should be "US orders diplomats to fight _EU_ data sovereignty initiatives". Why? Because the US is far too pussy to fight the other countries that have such initiatives - some of them reaching further than the EU's - knowing that unlike the EU those countries are definitely not going to take their shit. I can tell you that if the US says to Japan or Korea, just to name two such…

I don't think it's going to be anymore successful in the EU, honestly. The last couple of years have EU politicians throughly over their shit, and it's unlikely many concessions to US BigTech can be bought without serious reciprocity on the table (for example, a major expansion of US military aid to Ukraine)

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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How can you be so confrontational and still want people to give you business and data? I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.

Nobody in America noticed this but lately US ambassadors are going out of their way to insult and undermine the nations that they're posted in.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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> I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests What tech companies? At the end of the day, it's all about capital and IP. American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, and much of the core IP for vast swathes of critical next-gen technologies (high NA EUV, Foundation Models, Quantum Computing) is in the US, but Am…

>American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, Because every investor in the world put their money in the US. They knew the best companies and people would centralize around that hub. When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy -- already true, but the world takes time to adapt to this new reality -- how much of that money do you think will flow to the US?

> When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy

This reads like wishful thinking from a butthurt European. I am not a fan of many of Trump's policies and I think ex-US investor sentiment has definitely soured. But it's not like the USA is now DPRK.

> how much of that money do you think will flow to the US?

If there's one thing you can be sure of about aggregate investor behavior, it's that investors seek good risk-adjusted returns regardless of any moral or political objections.

So long as capital flows remain unimpeded, property rights are respected, and US companies have good expected future returns, investors' money will continue to flow in to the US.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

#98

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I'm a US citizen and I hope more of the world decouples because I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of competition.

But we have our own issues outside of the US. They reality is the average person is between a rock and a hard place.

This. When I look at why my life sucks and is on hard difficulty mode, it's not because I use US tech instead of EU tech. Most people and companies have bigger economic challenges right now trying to keep the lights on, than data sovereignty and domestic alternatives. My company just had a 3rd round of layoffs and its wasn't due to lack of EU SW.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.

I think it’s fair to say that diplomats appear to be appointed under a two-faced system. On the one side you have some diplomats who really are quite capable career foreign policy wonks, appointed in a manner which appears to be meritocratic. On the other side you have folks appointed, like you mention, as a kind of patronage. Traditionally, it has been that the softer counterparties (Friendly countries, European all…

Okay, thanks for the added details (and your sibling too), today I've learned something.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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> Or the US where even the mainstream media can challenge the president? Can you name the last time this actually had an effect on a Republican-leaning president?

There's a reason the acronym TACO exists - every time Trump goes after the really deep money the backlash forces him to change his tune. If only the tariffs disproportionately affected the rich then we would have been done with them within a week - instead the most effected individuals and companies just got carve outs.
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