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Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by brailsafe »

isx726552 wrote: post #55
everdrive wrote: post #14

Marijuana legalization arguments were my first introduction to motivated reasoning. I was pretty inclined to agree that locking up non-violent drug offenders was a net-harm to society. But, the pro-legalization folks would argue patently crazy things: it cures cancer, the smoke isn't bad for you at all, there are no downsides! etc. It seemed obvious to me that you could make a more realistic argument and just stick t…

> But, the pro-legalization folks would argue patently crazy things: it cures cancer, the smoke isn't bad for you at all, there are no downsides! etc. Who seriously claimed that it “cures cancer”? There have been some claims that it helps alleviate nausea associated with chemotherapy, which is quite reasonable and will likely be proved out by evidence over time. Really … who genuinely claimed it “cures” cancer?

I've heard people who clearly had psychological issues claim things like this, but nobody actually credible. Problem is that people fall down rabbit holes that perpetually reinforce their own spiral.

The combination of actual drugs and grief and real underlying mental disorders is a powerful and scary mix.

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by OGEnthusiast »

rdtsc wrote: post #26

For what's it worth for an N=1 study I watched a relative's young family fall apart because of cannabis induced psychosis. They had two young kids, husband was smoking pot recreationally (not sure how long he was doing that) but at some point he started hearing aliens talking to him from the cracks in the wall. Naturally you can't just keep doing all the regular life and family stuff when you have more pressing issue…

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Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by tsoukase »

ndr42 wrote: post #3

"But by excluding teens who were already showing mental health symptoms, the new study points to a potential causal link between cannabis use and later mental health diagnoses. Additional research is needed to understand the link fully." Hm, but this does not exclude the possibility that the being prone to mental illness comes with a little bit higher tendency to consume cannabis...

Its a correlation result and not causation. The author makes a mistake, off course. Mental diseases have effects since deep in a young age and push for increased marijuana use, but also nicotine, benzos and, may be, obesity, aggressiveness, school dropout, parent's divorce, low vitD and a long list of possible factors. All these will be correlations.

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by AngryData »

anjel wrote: post #10

The correlation used to cite heavy (daily repeated administration across the day; what the kids call "the chronic.") But now its just any degree of use. I should add that I happen to know of more than one heavy user who subsequently progressed to Schizophrenia or bipolar disorders so I don't personally doubt the cause and effect. But this blanket correlation seems to me to be overbroad.

Marijuana certainly doesn't cause bipolar disorder, but it definitely can affect or potentially induce a manic state. Of course bipolar people are already known to self medicate heavily and use a lot more drugs in general, and drugs are not the only way for them to self induce mania.

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by handedness »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #90
nyarlathotep_ wrote: post #82

In my teens/20s, I would have advocated for legalization of marijuana and thought any argument against it was some antiquated, puritanical nonsense. In the decade+ since, there's no way I'd do so. I know three personal friends that are long time (allegedly not addicted) heavy marijuana users that all suffer from Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome to the extent that it's effected their daily lives substantially. Two of…

Do you think their lives would be substantially better if they had been arrested and sentenced to lengthy prison terms? Alcohol can have a well-documented destructive effect on people's lives. Should it also be made illegal?

I don't know, but I think your comment would be substantially better without false dilemmas and manipulative appeals to emotion.

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by DANmode »

ctrl-j wrote: post #16
ndr42 wrote: post #3

"But by excluding teens who were already showing mental health symptoms, the new study points to a potential causal link between cannabis use and later mental health diagnoses. Additional research is needed to understand the link fully." Hm, but this does not exclude the possibility that the being prone to mental illness comes with a little bit higher tendency to consume cannabis...

Similarly, cigarettes also have a very strong correlation with schizophrenia. Completely non-causal, but it's hard to find a non-hospitalized schizophrenic who does not smoke.

What does nicotine (in isolation, not cigarette specific) do for the brain,

specifically its receptors and waste systems?

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by DANmode »

sfjailbird wrote: post #23
H8crilA wrote: post #6

I used to read forums for schizophrenics (self disorders fascinate me, look the term up if you want to understand schizophrenia), and it was the consensus there that out of all the recreational drugs cannabis caused the greatest deterioration in one's mental state. Those are generally fairly sick people, but I don't think one can just ignore this signal. I personally went catatonic once after consumption, and I'm not…

Weed can make you paranoid, every smoker knows this. It is patently obvious that it could trigger something worse, too, if you are already sensitive. I think only young people in their weed honeymoon phase get defensive about this.

Acute toxicity from a variety of other intoxicants can, as well.

THC is a toxin!

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #89
selectodude wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem with recreational marijuana is that it’s so insanely strong. It would be like giving a child 190 proof azeotropic grain alcohol and being shocked that they immediately vomit. I can’t smoke pot - it’s just too strong. I’ll admit to feeling a bit dumber and foggier after a few weeks of ingesting cannabis nightly though. That’s a real thing.

It's weird that people argue it's better for you to consume extra burned plant material to get to the same level of high-ness. If it's stronger, people just use less.

Problem is that they dont, actually

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by interestpiqued »

direwolf20 wrote: post #44
interestpiqued wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but it’s hard to even find a 5mg these days. Most are 10 or 20 by me. Edibles aren’t immune from the increase in dosage. Edit: also these aren’t pharma companies. It may have gotten better but I think manufacturing consistency isn’t good either. Highest I’ve ever been was from a single “2.5 mg”

Why not cut it in half?

You can also smoke less. But doesn’t change the fact all weed products are increasing in concentration/amount

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by ecshafer »

btreecat wrote: post #80
ecshafer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am firmly against marijuana legalization. This is partially because of this insanity of the pro-legalization arguments. When I would see friends/family that started smoking regularly become noticeably less intelligent while pro-legalization proponents would argue there are no negative side-effects, or people who were obviously compelled to smoke every day or as often as they could.... like some sort of addiction, w…

>I am firmly against marijuana legalization. Is there an argument or data that could be presented that _would_ change your mind?

I would be for legalization of marijuana if there was evidence there was no negative effect on children or families from people taking marijuana.
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