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VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Let me clear some things up as I have experience with places like VTT (but not VTT specifically) in my career. VTT is a company that you pay to run tests for you. You bring them a product, tell them what tests you need done, and then they do them with honesty and expensive well calibrated gear. Frequently you also send engineers along with your product to provide on the spot support for the testing. It's very likely…

Since they are testers and not auditors, what prevents Donut Labs from changing the actual battery sent for testing, selecting whatever works best for that specific test? In aggregate each test would seemingly validate their claims, only nobody ever validated and audited the fact that the same exact battery was used in all the tests. As many have said, so many red flags around something so exceptionally revolutionary…

Nothing, that's why this comes off as largely performative and awfully suspect.

Let me put it this way - these labs are functionally pretty similar to a Qwest diagnostics or Lab Corp. Those places draw your blood and run tests on it. The prescription tells them the tests to do, and the doctor is the one who evaluates the results. The labs are just a dumb tool to do the testing as prescribed.

Donut in this case is writing their own prescription and then posting the results. Just like a lab, they don't interrogate you to see if you are manipulating your blood results. That's the doctor's job. And ultimately at the lab it's just a lowly tech going through the same motions they go through every day.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#93

Let me clear some things up as I have experience with places like VTT (but not VTT specifically) in my career. VTT is a company that you pay to run tests for you. You bring them a product, tell them what tests you need done, and then they do them with honesty and expensive well calibrated gear. Frequently you also send engineers along with your product to provide on the spot support for the testing. It's very likely…

Since they are testers and not auditors, what prevents Donut Labs from changing the actual battery sent for testing, selecting whatever works best for that specific test? In aggregate each test would seemingly validate their claims, only nobody ever validated and audited the fact that the same exact battery was used in all the tests. As many have said, so many red flags around something so exceptionally revolutionary…

Nothing prevents that, and the test lab wouldn't bat an eye at that. For all they know or care, you wanted to run different test on different cells. The only thing the lab is verifying is that the defined test was executed as stated, nothing else.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#94

Let me clear some things up as I have experience with places like VTT (but not VTT specifically) in my career. VTT is a company that you pay to run tests for you. You bring them a product, tell them what tests you need done, and then they do them with honesty and expensive well calibrated gear. Frequently you also send engineers along with your product to provide on the spot support for the testing. It's very likely…

> It's incredibly suspect that in a battery capacity test, Donut did not have VTT verify cell weight or dimension. The report does include a few photos, and the battery does look pretty small on them? So I don't think there's foul play there.

I have seen so much engineering scams over the years and this is precisely the thing that they all do.

It reminds me of E-cat. Anyone remembers cold fusion? They had same modus operandi. Lots of revolutionary claims but testing was so contrived and limited and lots of conditions that in the end no one was allowed to truly confirm it. .

This repeats the exact steps of that purported miraculous energy device.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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I really want this to be true, but the founder launching AGI 9 months ago doesn't help their credibility a lot. And drip-marketing test results seems like a super weird thing to do, whether it's real or it's not. Don't forget that a lot of scams aren't initially on purpose. Eg Theranos by all accounts very gradually morphed from a mild "fake it till you make it" scheme (mild by Silicon Valley standards at least) into…

> the founder launching AGI 9 months ago Yes, I want this too good to be true battery to be real and that's why I'm looking into such things but this claim is false. He apparently launched "Artificially Superintelligence", which appears to be a marketing term for some architecture this company was working on. The "AGI" term seems to come from people who are going after this CEO. I wasn't able to come up with people w…

> I wasn't able to come up with people who claim that they were actually scammed, i.e. paid for a product that wasn't delivered or made an investment into something that doesn't exist.

I'm gonna ask the other way around. Name one successful product by the CEO that has reached mass production and you can get it right now.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the founder launching AGI 9 months ago Yes, I want this too good to be true battery to be real and that's why I'm looking into such things but this claim is false. He apparently launched "Artificially Superintelligence", which appears to be a marketing term for some architecture this company was working on. The "AGI" term seems to come from people who are going after this CEO. I wasn't able to come up with people w…

> I wasn't able to come up with people who claim that they were actually scammed, i.e. paid for a product that wasn't delivered or made an investment into something that doesn't exist. I'm gonna ask the other way around. Name one successful product by the CEO that has reached mass production and you can get it right now.

Well, AppGyver was real. SAP bought it, it's now called SAP Build.

Don't know how successful it was/is as a product though.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#98
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really want this to be true, but the founder launching AGI 9 months ago doesn't help their credibility a lot. And drip-marketing test results seems like a super weird thing to do, whether it's real or it's not. Don't forget that a lot of scams aren't initially on purpose. Eg Theranos by all accounts very gradually morphed from a mild "fake it till you make it" scheme (mild by Silicon Valley standards at least) into…

> the founder launching AGI 9 months ago Yes, I want this too good to be true battery to be real and that's why I'm looking into such things but this claim is false. He apparently launched "Artificially Superintelligence", which appears to be a marketing term for some architecture this company was working on. The "AGI" term seems to come from people who are going after this CEO. I wasn't able to come up with people w…

Have you seen his comments on LinkedIn? Doesn't seem like the type of guy who's honest. He kept covering behind "send an rfq" or "sign an nda" or "we're a business not a newspaper" instead of proving anything. Also, here's some products that weren't delivered: - https://burstlive.io/ - https://stingbase.com/ - https://venturebonsai.com/ - https://shadowcapital.com/ - https://kaseygroup.com/ - https://www.definancetechnologies.com/

All links were obtained from the CEO's LinkedIn page. The last one is definitely a scam. They ask for your money and promise that their magical algorithm will give you profit.

The first one has fake "featured in", Privacy Policy does not exist and almost all those websites were using Wordpress (perhaps made by the same guy?).

I don't think you actually did research on him.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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> I wasn't able to come up with people who claim that they were actually scammed, i.e. paid for a product that wasn't delivered or made an investment into something that doesn't exist. I'm gonna ask the other way around. Name one successful product by the CEO that has reached mass production and you can get it right now.

Well, AppGyver was real. SAP bought it, it's now called SAP Build. Don't know how successful it was/is as a product though.

See my other comment [1]. There's dozen of failed products. That one AppGyver product is from 15 years ago. Since then, he hasn't created any other product. The motorcycle however is real. The battery may also be. The issue with Solid State Batteries is that it's almost impossible to scale them.

The guy changes the industry he's in as often to match what's currently popular.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47129369

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Who has the burden of proof here? This is absolutely a scam.

Obviously those who claim to be a scam have the burden of proof. Guilty until proven innocent is not a thing, it’s the other way around.

You have no idea how scams work, do you? Visit this website [1] by the CEO and tell me it's not a scam. Tell me there exists some magical algorithm, where I give you my money and you promise me to 2x it and give it back. Please do tell me that.

[1] https://www.definancetechnologies.com/

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