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Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by mopsi »

gnull wrote: post #89
mopsi wrote: post #83

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> Was there something major that happened in 2013-2014 involving violence that interrupted the term of elected, legitimate president Yanukovich? Yes; under extreme Russian pressure, Yanukovych blocked the passage of the highly anticipated Ukraine-EU trade treaty. This led to massive protests. He sent paid thugs (titushky) to harass and beat the protesters, but the protests only grew larger. When he panicked, about 10…

Are there any key details you're leaving out? Is there a chance you creatively picked what to leave out in a way that serves the view you're sympathetic to?

No.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by tpm »

gnull wrote: post #90
tpm wrote: post #81

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> The society was split about this idea Yes, this is how democracy works. Then a decision is made and the society rolls with it. See the UK for example: a decision was made to leave the EU, they left, it cost them a lot of money and goodwill, but it works, worse than being in the EU but works. The EU did not invade, did not bomb their cities, did not rape their women and did not steal their children. And crucially th…

I agree about democracy. What I was referring to is that part of the society didn't roll with the legitimate leader's decision not to align with EU in 2013. And it was undemocratic. I stressed that it was split, and the democratic thing to do would be to wait another year until the next election, where everyone will be given equal opportunity to express their choice and determine what's the next thing we're rolling w…

> What I was referring to is that part of the society didn't roll with the legitimate leader's decision not to align with EU in 2013. And it was undemocratic.

So in a separate thread you are demanding a bit of history and here you are likely not mentioning a bit of history for a reason. Anyway. The protests have not been 'undemocratic'. And the protesters did not decide to be murdered by snipers.

> But we'll never know what they'd choose because some chose to protest, and then continue doing so when it git violent.

Ah yes. Who exactly 'got violent'? Who authorised the decision to shoot to kill?

> Maybe there could have been a referendum on EU course.

Possibly, but let's not hold our breath whether the mass murderers in Moscow would respect the outcome if it didn't suit them.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by shermantanktop »

gnull wrote: post #29
shermantanktop wrote: post #17

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In Florida it wouldn’t be confusing to refer to someone from Hawaii as “Hawaiian,” but in Hawaii it means something much more specific about ancestry, and it’s considered rude and even offensive to misuse it. In NYC they pronounce Oregon as “Ore-gone,” even though Oregonians pronounce it “Ore-gun.” In Portland, mispronunciation marks you as an ignorant outsider. Every place has idiosyncratic misuses of terms that com…

Fair point, I agree I made it too arrogant. We all have things we misuse, but I think those things may characterize us sometimes. For example, in Russian we often misuse the word Hindu to mean Indian. It may mean that the person is uneducated and maybe even unaware of the difference. A couple of my friends who've been to India or are nerds about other cultures, don't misuse the word, some even go around ranting about…

Race is a tricky topic in the US due to history. The term is an 18th century creation of German academia, but somehow got adopted in the late 19th c in the US, presumably because racial restrictions were written into law and so fancy terminology was adopted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

From that Wikipedia article I learned it is used in Australia too, another place where an immigrant white majority wrote their dominance into law.

WRT to “Hindu” for south Asians — that’s amazing to me, I’d be boggled to hear someone say that.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by gnull »

tpm wrote: post #92
gnull wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree about democracy. What I was referring to is that part of the society didn't roll with the legitimate leader's decision not to align with EU in 2013. And it was undemocratic. I stressed that it was split, and the democratic thing to do would be to wait another year until the next election, where everyone will be given equal opportunity to express their choice and determine what's the next thing we're rolling w…

> What I was referring to is that part of the society didn't roll with the legitimate leader's decision not to align with EU in 2013. And it was undemocratic. So in a separate thread you are demanding a bit of history and here you are likely not mentioning a bit of history for a reason. Anyway. The protests have not been 'undemocratic'. And the protesters did not decide to be murdered by snipers. > But we'll never kn…

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Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by dcrazy »

te_chris wrote: post #20
dcrazy wrote: post #6

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Germany and especially Austria produce some rather poor reds but have carved out a niche for Riesling and Gewürtztraminer. Is there a similar niche for Georgian wine?

“Rather poor reds”. Um what? Germany and Austria produce a lot of excellent wine, red and white. Austrian reds are some of my favourites. In London, Georgian orange wines are very popular and that seems to be what most people who are cursorily into wine would know them for here.

Sorry, I have to heartily disagree. There may be a few examples of good Austrian and German reds out there, but your chances of getting thin, acidic swill from a random bottle is way higher than with French or Californian reds.

(See also: East Coast US wines.)

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by impossiblefork »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #87
impossiblefork wrote: post #44

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I wouldn't call it democratic backsliding. I think it's more rightly interpreted as a soft coup by Russia.

It's not polite to deny a country the agency to backslide on their own. The corrupt class is, of course, following the oppression guide, so graciously provided and field-tested by their northern neighbour, rather diligently. It would be unwise to overstate their (elite's) autonomy, considering economical and cultural ties on all levels, though.

Yes, but I don't think they quite did. It's pretty obvious that Russians were operating almost openly, beating people up, seizing people etc.

So I can't view it as purely Georgian backsliding.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by IAmBroom »

baud147258 wrote: post #55
usrnm wrote: post #43

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What are you talking about, there are multiple wine-producing regions in the EU, and there is absolutely no problem finding Spanish, Italian or even German wine in any EU country. Even Georgian wines can be found, if you know what to look for

At least in France it's quite complicated to find wine from elsewhere unless you go to wine retailers.

Have you considered the outside chance that might be due to French nationalistic pride and wine snobbery, instead of legal chicanery?

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by victorbjorklund »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #35
legerdemain wrote: post #5

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There's a reason they call them Caucasian.

You got it the opposite way. basically some pseudoscientist thought that the schools of people from the Caucasus had the most beautiful skulls when they were dead. and since he was white he thought that this must be where all white people are coming from. So he claimed that white people are Caucasian. Even if this is of course not true that most Anglo-Saxon people are coming from the Caucasian mountains.

Skulls*

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by messe »

dcrazy wrote: post #95
te_chris wrote: post #20

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“Rather poor reds”. Um what? Germany and Austria produce a lot of excellent wine, red and white. Austrian reds are some of my favourites. In London, Georgian orange wines are very popular and that seems to be what most people who are cursorily into wine would know them for here.

Sorry, I have to heartily disagree. There may be a few examples of good Austrian and German reds out there, but your chances of getting thin, acidic swill from a random bottle is way higher than with French or Californian reds. (See also: East Coast US wines.)

I mean I can equally throw out the anecdotal evidence that I've found Californian wines in general intolerably sweet compared to their high ABV.

Without some more to back it up though we're both just being opinionated. The difference is that I'm admitting it.

It might also come down to to where you're based. If you're in the US, you might be getting worse German wines, in the same way that I'm probably getting worse California wines because I'm in the EU.

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