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South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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Post by frumplestlatz »

woodruffw wrote: post #80
ericmcer wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overreach of executive powers is very concerning, but those are more long term attempts to influence the public and policy makers through shady tactics. The insurrection everyone is referring to is definitely Jan 6th, which it is laughable to compare to an actual insurrection attempt. A few thousand unarmed people waving signs and wearing costumes break into government buildings and take selfies? What would the n…

I think the thing that puts J6 in the "definitely an insurrection attempt" category is the fact that it happened while Congress was exercising its duty to formalize the electoral college vote. We don't have to reach for statistics about how many were armed or wearing costumes (a fact that seems immaterial in any case); the question is sufficiently answered by what they were attempting to stop.

I’ll reiterate the earlier poster’s question:

> What would the next steps be that would end in them overthrowing elected leaders?

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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Post by frumplestlatz »

Larrikin wrote: post #87
ericmcer wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overreach of executive powers is very concerning, but those are more long term attempts to influence the public and policy makers through shady tactics. The insurrection everyone is referring to is definitely Jan 6th, which it is laughable to compare to an actual insurrection attempt. A few thousand unarmed people waving signs and wearing costumes break into government buildings and take selfies? What would the n…

Multiple protestors had weapons and the militias had weapons parked just across the border. There also would have been no reason to pardon anyone if no crimes were being committed. But you already know this

Nobody said no crimes had been committed. It’s just simply laughable to call it an insurrection.

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Post by flerchin »

n1b0m wrote: post #84
peyton wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Innocent until proven guilty.

According to the bipartisan House select committee that investigated the incident, the attack was the culmination of a plan by Trump to overturn the election. Within 36 hours, five people died: including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by s…

It was an insurrection, and he should have been barred from rerunning by the 14th amendment, but come on with adding deaths to the event that were not the one dumbass chick.

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

miyoji wrote: post #86
kube-system wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't understand the comments praising Korea for this. A tradition of prosecuting political opponents and then pardoning all of them is a mockery of the rule of law, regardless of what they actually did.

If he's pardoned and released, sure, it's a mockery, but holding public officials accountable for their abuse of the public trust is necessary to the rule of law and democracy.

Curious where in the world this happens (holding officials accountable for violating public trust). It certainly doesn't happen in the United States.

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Post by GrinningFool »

hax0ron3 wrote: post #66
Herring wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been ~10 years. Everything has been hashed and rehashed to death. America knew exactly who he was on day 1. He came down the stairs calling Mexicans rapists.

No, he called some Mexican migrants into the US rapists. Trump has done plenty of real things that are worthy of criticism. Calling Mexicans in general rapists is not something he did.

> No, he called some Mexican migrants into the US rapists.

It was more than that.

In his own words, 'some' of those migrants[1] are good people (/maybe/ - he's apparently never met one), but everyone else...

"They're not sending their best. They're sending people with lots of problems. And they're bringing those problems with us[sic]. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some - I assume - are good people."

[1] being 'sent' here, apparently?

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Post by anigbrowl »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #63
Waterluvian wrote: post #30

Also the King stepping aside as the commoners come to for his brother. Lots of recent examples demonstrating that none of these unprecedented moments are untouchable if you actually are a people who believe in the rule of law.

It's not the King, it's the government, really. In any case, one of the reasons, if not the main reason, is that the scandal has unfolded very publicly so that covering it up is not an option as it might have been otherwise or previously.

How amateurish! Officials should have just deflected to talking about the stock market.

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Post by ehhthing »

agentifysh wrote: post #71

He'll be pardoned and released by the next election cycle, remember 2 presidents were even sentenced to death at one point. I'm reading the comments here and surprised by the lack of depth of assessing Korea's history of prosecuting its presidents and most of you are just regurgitating what's reported in mainstream news that is echoed by Korean mainstream news which cannot give you a neutral impartial view on the sit…

Yoon is quite politically toxic at the moment, I don't think he'll be pardoned any time soon. I also think that this would be a good moment for South Korea to reconsider its approach to corruption, especially since Yoon's actions represent a clear escalation in the history of corruption at the highest levels of government.

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Post by kube-system »

miyoji wrote: post #86
kube-system wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't understand the comments praising Korea for this. A tradition of prosecuting political opponents and then pardoning all of them is a mockery of the rule of law, regardless of what they actually did.

If he's pardoned and released, sure, it's a mockery, but holding public officials accountable for their abuse of the public trust is necessary to the rule of law and democracy.

Yeah, but this story is not very indicative of that actually happening in the context of modern Korean history... they have arrested 4 prior presidents, and they've pardoned all of them. It's a pattern at this point.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

multjoy wrote: post #70
Waterluvian wrote: post #30

Also the King stepping aside as the commoners come to for his brother. Lots of recent examples demonstrating that none of these unprecedented moments are untouchable if you actually are a people who believe in the rule of law.

The King has made it very clear that he was entirely unhappy with Andrew's involvement for years, but had Andrew done the right thing and entirely disappeared from public life he might have retained a degree of protection. He didn't and so he had everything stripped away which sent a very clear message to Government and the police that he was there for the taking.

The 'firm' protects itself ruthlessly. Andrew was too exposed in a too public scandal, they had not alternative but to cut him loose to protect themselves and the monarchy. Governor of the Bahamas was not an option...

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Post by mschuster91 »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #94
miyoji wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he's pardoned and released, sure, it's a mockery, but holding public officials accountable for their abuse of the public trust is necessary to the rule of law and democracy.

Curious where in the world this happens (holding officials accountable for violating public trust). It certainly doesn't happen in the United States.

Israel sent a former prime minister to prison. Ukraine has had many an anti-corruption sweep ever since the Russians invaded. France denied le Pen electability due to misappropriating EU funds.
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