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Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by jimnotgym »

waihtis wrote: post #38

Peak EU mindset thinking all we need is a nifty little map application to find alternatives. Meanwhile, tech companies are continuing to bail into the US the moment they reach significant revenue due to crushing tax and labour costs (see e.g. Oura announcing their departure from Finland yesterday) Unfortunately the EU and many local governments have chosen to double down on crippling socialism (presumedly to "own Tru…

> labour costs

Where in the EU is a software engineer paid SV FAANG rates?

> Oura announcing their departure from Finland yesterday

The article I read said they were moving their HQ domicile to Delaware in preparation for a US stock market listing. A bit like US companies do. It said firmly that roughly half of its staff were already in the US, half in Finland, and that wasn't going to change.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by shiroiuma »

jmchuster wrote: post #36
stackghost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Show me a European iPhone, European Microsoft, European Nvidia, etc. The "avoid dependence on the US" movement only really started picking up steam with Trump's accelerating dementia in his second term. The iPhone, Microsoft, and nVidia all took multiple decades to develop into the behemoths they are today. Famously, the first iPhone was actually expensive trash: no apps, no 3G, couldn't even cut and paste text. It…

> Famously, the first iPhone was actually expensive trash: no apps, no 3G, couldn't even cut and paste text. Also famously, while the tech elitists complained about all of its shortcomings, the broader consumer market fully embraced it and it single-handedly drove an entirely new generation of consumer electronics.

The consumer market embraced it despite its shortcomings because it looked nice and was easy to use; the alternatives were not. Yeah, it didn't do that much, but it did more than a flip phone. The alternatives wanted you to use a stylus just to use your phone, and tried to basically recreate the MS Windows UI on a tiny screen; their UI was terrible.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by RobotToaster »

shiroiuma wrote: post #69
phaser wrote: post #17

Every time I see an idea like this (or a politician talking about tech 'sovereignty') I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. > Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have…

Such an idea never made any real sense, and never will until you can figure out how to move IT infrastructure into a separate dimension where governments have no authority. Those servers have to sit somewhere.

Doesn't have to be a different dimension, international waters or space would do.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by ph4rsikal »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #67
ph4rsikal wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You lost all your credibility if you see AI as "a chatbot".

Conversely, every person calling LLMs "agents" never had any credibility to begin with. Despite my many attempts to coerce an example out of people here, I am still waiting for one (1) singular demonstration of "agentic software" that is capable of replacing production-grade software at scale. Software created by agents that solves a real-world problem and is used by tens of thousands or millions of people. Candidate…

I build agents for banks for a living and can tell you for sure that you are wrong.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by Tinkeringz »

wald3n wrote: post #64

I don’t understand why Mistral gets so little recognition. They consistently have a top model on benchmarks such as LiveBench and their models are open source. Hugging Face is French, Black Forrest Labs (Stable Diffusion) is German, Weaviate is Dutch, Hetzner for IaasS. There’s AI here. Maybe hardware production is the bigger problem?

They’re 5th off bottom on livebench

https://livebench.ai/

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by XorNot »

RobotToaster wrote: post #93
shiroiuma wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such an idea never made any real sense, and never will until you can figure out how to move IT infrastructure into a separate dimension where governments have no authority. Those servers have to sit somewhere.

Doesn't have to be a different dimension, international waters or space would do.

Both those places are heavily government controlled.

In fact international waters if you're not flagged and registered to a specific country, then it's open season for anyone to board and seize you.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by rhubarbtree »

oytis wrote: post #79
notrealyme123 wrote: post #73

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Iirc: mistral has American investors, black forest labs hq has been moved to silicon valley.

That's another problem with the idea of tech sovereignity. Anything succesful, even if it started in Europe, will go global, including literally going to the USA

If the political regime in the US continues, that will come to an end. You can see it happening already - London has been a big beneficiary of Trump’s agenda.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by Towaway69 »

wafflemaker wrote: post #84
shiroiuma wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such an idea never made any real sense, and never will until you can figure out how to move IT infrastructure into a separate dimension where governments have no authority. Those servers have to sit somewhere.

That's the whole plan with the space servers. As soon as we sort out a few problems, we're good to go. Problems: Solar flare & radiation resistance. Heat dissipation. Energy (more effective solar panels, for things as close to sun as we). Partially solved - getting to orbit. And as much as we hate musk, SpaceX might solve it once Starships start flying commercially. If we would separate energy part out and beam it so…

Wait a one minute, who owns those space Servers? The same guy who runs starlink? The one who uses that power to threaten to cut access to those who refuse to do his bidding?

Come on, pull the other one, surely it can’t be that something so useful can be used as a tool for Mafia style politics.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by pseudony »

wafflemaker wrote: post #84
shiroiuma wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such an idea never made any real sense, and never will until you can figure out how to move IT infrastructure into a separate dimension where governments have no authority. Those servers have to sit somewhere.

That's the whole plan with the space servers. As soon as we sort out a few problems, we're good to go. Problems: Solar flare & radiation resistance. Heat dissipation. Energy (more effective solar panels, for things as close to sun as we). Partially solved - getting to orbit. And as much as we hate musk, SpaceX might solve it once Starships start flying commercially. If we would separate energy part out and beam it so…

Look at what he does now, you honestly think a person this greedy would ever exercise less than maximum control?

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Post by resonious »

Keyframe wrote: post #77

not all that useful. for a more useful alternative I'd prefer to see companies up from a certain size (I've noticed some small startups on the map) and if the're (not) using aws/azure/gcp/chinaCloud (whatever the names are).

Right, the page starts up and shows them in alphabetical order. Didn't recognize a single one.
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