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Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

peyton wrote: post #82
jollyllama wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shame to anyone defending this abuse as some sort of pro immigration policy. In what way is it not pro-immigration? Perhaps you mean "pro-immigrant"? In that case, your view is cogent, but I guess this just exposes that pro-immigration policy isn't necessarily good for the immigrants that it welcomes. Immigration benefits capital. For example, as Federal Reserve Vice Chair Bowman indicated [0], immigration creates…

It’s a non-immigrant visa. I believe E* are the immigrant employment visas.

It’s a dual intent visa. The visa itself provides no immigration benefits but it’s explicitly designed to then allow for a permanent residency and then citizenship application.

Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

Dig1t wrote: post #78
georgeburdell wrote: post #62

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H1B was created in the 90s. The industry had been around for nearly 50 years at that point.

You are being downvoted but you are totally correct. The tech industry existed before the H1B and was growing rapidly. There’s no evidence at all that the industry would have stopped growing without the H1B or that any company started by an H1B wouldn’t have been started by an American.

44% of unicorns founders between 1997 and 2019 were foreign born. 20% of those were specifically from India.

It seems like if Americans were just so much more dominant, they’d form a much higher percentage of unicorn founders given that the percentage of foreign born people in the US was about 15% at the highest.

Looks like foreign born immigrants are punching about 3 times their weight as startup founders.

https://gfmag.com/capital-raising-corporate-finance/us-unico...

Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

650 wrote: post #2

With all the discourse around H1Bs recently, I ask what the alternative is? Offshoring and workers paying taxes in their own countries? The common argument of X number of CS grads unemployed fails to hold as CS has been a monkey degree over the past few years due to the rush for money. Some investigation will show many graduates are not able to perform software engineering duties up to par, and sub par graduates comp…

Clearly the real problem in America is the industry with the fastest growing number of jobs, along with the fastest growing salaries coming off a base where it was already one of the highest paid jobs, all numbers which don’t even include equity payments, despite this being an industry which pays far more in equity relative to any other industry.

Maybe AI changes everything, but there is no evidence that immigration has hurt Americans working in software over the past few decades given that software salaries have been growing faster than any other job in the U.S., but also (and this is critical), it’s been rising faster than salaries in any other comparable country as well, including countries with strong tech industries but limited immigration in the industry such as France (the other country with almost as high growth as the U.S. in software dev salary is the UK, which also has high immigration).

Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

gymbeaux wrote: post #46
bigfatkitten wrote: post #17

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The pattern I’ve seen emerge is that the only successful candidates just happen to be of the same ethnolinguistic background as the hiring manager. Merely being Indian is not enough.

I suspect this has happened to me at least once. I was a shoe-in, checked all of the boxes, recruiter was saying they really wanted me, and then for the final interview they brought in a mid level guy who asked me questions unrelated to the role (purely a Data Engineer role but he was asking me about the intricacies of ML models). All interviewers were Indian. I would wager they ended up hiring another Indian guy for…

So just looking at your story, you’re saying all your interviewers were Indian, and all of them but 1 mid level guy really wanted you.

And that to you is evidence that they only wanted to hire Indians?

Despite the fact that everyone but this 1 mid level guy clearly wanted to hire a non Indian?

Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by selridge »

jpgvm wrote: post #73
billsunshine wrote: post #4

No doubt h1b is abused. Corporations use it to structurally underpay tech labor. Shame to anyone defending this abuse as some sort of pro immigration policy - it hurts both domestic workers and underpays migrant labor. The question is - what % of this labor could be sourced domestically and what actually needs to be imported?

> what % of this labor could be sourced domestically and what actually needs to be imported? None of it? The way I see it is every top tier programmer in America is already employed. I think the inevitable outcome would just be the big multi-nationals (FAANG in particular) would just hire more in their international offices and spread out their engineering org more instead of remaining so American heavy and using imm…

I mean you could read the linked website where it points out we aren’t talking about top tier talent. It’s just shit IT jobs we used to pay Americans to do so they could be furries. Now we pay Indians to do it so they can act like they are better than Mexicans.

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Post by goobert »

ecshafer wrote: post #52
gymbeaux wrote: post #49

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As with many systemic issues in the U.S., it boils down to "publicly traded company must have highest profit possible so line on chart goes up". As much as I dislike FAANG companies in general for all their anti-worker efforts, I can't honestly blame them for making decisions that look good on the balance sheet. If I am a company, and I can choose to hire 10 U.S. engineers for $200k a pop, or 10 H-1B engineers for $1…

You mudt have gotten lucky with your coworkers. Ive worked with people who claimed to be “experts” in a domain that didnt have basic skills. I would say 5% were excellent, 5% good. 90% worthless. Coupled with weird insular cultural dynamics, poor english and communication skills, poor throw it over the wall mentality. Its overalll a huge net negative for a company. Perhaps its different in FAANG. But in enterprise co…

The h1bs at Amazon were some of the most abysmal software developers I've seen in my life

Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by Dig1t »

kjellsbells wrote: post #83
Dig1t wrote: post #77

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“Top tier programmer” Apple employees thousands of H1Bs, many of them literally push buttons and file bug reports all day and don’t know how to code or barely know how. I know this because I’ve worked with teams of them for a decade at Apple. These are not top tier talent type people, this is work that my mom could do, but Apple can pay much less by bringing people over from India, Pakistan, China to do this work ins…

Not disputing this, but working thru this, lets say H-1Bs suddenly become really hard for companies to get. I dont think it follows that a ton of IT jobs suddenly open up for Americans. Isnt it more likely that all those H-1B jobs are replaced by workers in offshore locations? Or, that those jobs disappear and are not replaced at all. Or, that the jobs go and the work is expected to happen (somehow) with AI tools ope…

Many of these roles, such as the ones where people just push buttons and send emails, could be done by Americans with just a little bit of training. But there is no incentive for Apple to train Americans or invest in their existing employees when they can just claim “labor shortage” and hire someone from India instead.

We know this works already because this is how the country worked until 1990, when they created the H1B and massively increased all other types of immigration. By 1990 the US was the undisputed powerhouse of the world, and it was built completely with native born labor.

There was plenty of offshoring that happened during the 90’s but the companies that rely on it heavily do not end up winning. In the end nothing beats Americans working in America and that’s obvious just by looking at the stock market.

The people who want to eliminate the H1B are absolutely pro-worker in my opinion. It’s a tool that’s used almost exclusively to suppress wages, the quality of the workers is almost always significantly worse than the American equivalent and serves only to boost profits for the company owners at the expense of their own workers.

Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by mvc »

Dig1t wrote: post #98
kjellsbells wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not disputing this, but working thru this, lets say H-1Bs suddenly become really hard for companies to get. I dont think it follows that a ton of IT jobs suddenly open up for Americans. Isnt it more likely that all those H-1B jobs are replaced by workers in offshore locations? Or, that those jobs disappear and are not replaced at all. Or, that the jobs go and the work is expected to happen (somehow) with AI tools ope…

Many of these roles, such as the ones where people just push buttons and send emails, could be done by Americans with just a little bit of training. But there is no incentive for Apple to train Americans or invest in their existing employees when they can just claim “labor shortage” and hire someone from India instead. We know this works already because this is how the country worked until 1990, when they created the…

Why _should_ Apple employ only Americans (whether in America or elsewhere)?

They generate revenue all over the world. Seems only right that their costs should be distributed around the world too.

Re: H-1B Exposed: Banking sector visa sponsorship investigation

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Post by Dig1t »

mvc wrote: post #99
Dig1t wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of these roles, such as the ones where people just push buttons and send emails, could be done by Americans with just a little bit of training. But there is no incentive for Apple to train Americans or invest in their existing employees when they can just claim “labor shortage” and hire someone from India instead. We know this works already because this is how the country worked until 1990, when they created the…

Why _should_ Apple employ only Americans (whether in America or elsewhere)? They generate revenue all over the world. Seems only right that their costs should be distributed around the world too.

Because they are an American company which benefits from all of the advantages of this country, and indeed would not exist at all without this country's people. They rely on the tax incentives, stable society, culture, cities, infrastructure, and PEOPLE of this country. It's a company founded by Americans in the USA, they have reaped the benefits of everything that comes from this country.

Do you think that Apple could or would have been founded in India? or China? Or Brazil? Obviously not. It's obviously the product of this country.

Is your argument that since Apple makes money in other countries that they should transcend nations and become their own super-national entity? That they should not have to follow the rules or even try to benefit their home country?

At the end of the day that is what's happening. These mega corps have basically usurped the power of nations and made their own rules. They have changed the immigration system to give themselves the power to import cheap labor at the expense of the country that allowed them to exist in the first place. We as workers are saying that we should use the power of government to push back against this practice.

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