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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by crystal_revenge »

AstroBen wrote: post #16
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

The marketing is clearly effecting individual developers, too. There's a mass psychosis happening

> There's a mass psychosis happening

There absolutely is but I'm increasingly realizing that it's futile to fight it.

The thing that surprises me is that people are simultaneously losing their minds over AI agents while almost no one is exploring playing around with what these models can really do.

Even if you restrict yourself to small, open models, there is so much unexplored around messing with the internals of these. The entire world of open image/video generation is pretty much ignored by all but a very narrow niche of people, but has so much potential for creating interesting stuff. Even restricting yourself only to an API endpoint, isn't there something more clever we can be doing than re-implementing code that already exists on github badly through vibe coding?

But nobody in the hype-fueled mind rot part of this space remotely cares about anything real being done with gen AI. Vague posting about your billion agent setup and how you've almost entered a new reality is all that matters.

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by sweetheart »

dgxyz wrote: post #33
brabel wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm. We don’t know if AI really is about to make programmers who write code by hand obsolete, but we sure as hell fear our competitors will ship features 10x faster than us. What is the logical next step?? Invest lots of money on AI or keep hoping it’s a fad and risk being left in the dust, even if you think that risk is fairly small?

Perhaps stop entering into saturated markets and using AI to try and shortcut your way to the moon? There's no way any LLM code generator can replace a moderately complex system at this point and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. Getting one to reason about a simple part of a business domain is still quite difficult.

The recent developments of only the last 3 months have been staggering. I think you should challenge your beliefs on this a little bit. I don't say that as an AI fanboy (if those exist), it's just really, really noticeable how much progress has been made in doing more complex SWE work, especially if you just ask the LLM to implement some basic custom harness engineering.

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by zozbot234 »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #73
dgxyz wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps stop entering into saturated markets and using AI to try and shortcut your way to the moon? There's no way any LLM code generator can replace a moderately complex system at this point and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. Getting one to reason about a simple part of a business domain is still quite difficult.

> and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. The rate of progress in the last 3 years has been over my expectations. The past year has been increasing a lot. The last 2 months has been insane. No idea how people can say "no improvement".

"My car is in the driveway, but it's dirty and I need to get it washed. The car wash is 50 meters away, should I drive there or walk?"

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by qnleigh »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #73
dgxyz wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps stop entering into saturated markets and using AI to try and shortcut your way to the moon? There's no way any LLM code generator can replace a moderately complex system at this point and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. Getting one to reason about a simple part of a business domain is still quite difficult.

> and looking at the rate of progress this hasn't improved recently at all. The rate of progress in the last 3 years has been over my expectations. The past year has been increasing a lot. The last 2 months has been insane. No idea how people can say "no improvement".

Yeah not that long ago, there was concern that we had run out of training data and progress would stall. That did not happen at all.

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Post by molsongolden »

dgxyz wrote: post #35
AstroBen wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The marketing is clearly effecting individual developers, too. There's a mass psychosis happening

I think this is reality. None of our much-promoted AI initiatives have resulted in any ROI. In fact they have cost a pile of cash so far and delivered nothing.

Many AI initiatives have had massive ROI though. The implementation problems are similar to any pre-AI tech rollout and hugely expensive non-AI tech implementations fail all the time.

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by ttuominen »

Luddites weren't against technology. “They just wanted machines that made high-quality goods and they wanted these machines to be run by workers who had gone through an apprenticeship and got paid decent wages. Those were their only concerns.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-the-luddites-rea...

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by SoftTalker »

mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

So, what I don't get is, taking it to its logical conclusion, if AI takes all the jobs then who are your customers? Who will buy your stock? Who will buy the software that all the developers you used to employ used to write? How do these CEOs and investors see this playing out?

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by LouisSayers »

dgxyz wrote: post #78
mjr00 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. I'm actually a big fan of Claude/Codex and use them extensively. The author of the article says the same. > To be clear: I like and use AI when it comes to coding, and even for other tasks. I think it’s been very effective at increasing my productivity—not as effective as the influencers claim it should be, but effective nonetheless. It's hard to get measured opinions. The most vocal opinions online are either…

Well I've just watched two major projects fail which were running mostly on faith because someone read too many "I used 15 AI agents to vibe code..." blog posts and sold it to management. The promoters have a deep technical understanding of the problem domain we have but little understanding of what an LLM can achieve or what it can understand relating to the problem at hand. Yes you can indeed vibe code a startup. B…

> I've just watched two major projects fail

This is an opportunity. You can have a good long career consulting/contracting for these types of companies.

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