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Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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subscribed wrote: post #54
ben_w wrote: post #48

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> most people spent most of their time to sustain themselves Do they? Or do they get convinced by adverts that their lives won't be complete unless they spend more than they can afford on an endless stream of shiny promises? I've always found it very easy to put a huge fraction of my income to one side because all my hobbies are cheap or free. I've sometimes expressed surprise at how much other people buy, or spend r…

Yeah, I'll tell my family we need to move to the mouldy 1 bedroom flat because a guy in the internet says so. That'll help with the mortgage bit; Also kids need to manage their expectations and instead of having active hobbies (that require some minimum hardware but lots of activities), they should try sculpting with clay instead. Especially that with the asthma they'll get from the black mould they'll be in no posit…

Copium is a powerful drug.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by iancmceachern »

It's so weird to me that these folks don't just retire with a bag of money to a nice beach house and enjoy life. They're always seeming to meddle. And in doing so they take away our, and their peace. It's like they're troubled deeply and they need us to be also? Why can't they just not do demonstrably evil, deeply wrong things?

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by SolarToaster »

iancmceachern wrote: post #92

It's so weird to me that these folks don't just retire with a bag of money to a nice beach house and enjoy life. They're always seeming to meddle. And in doing so they take away our, and their peace. It's like they're troubled deeply and they need us to be also? Why can't they just not do demonstrably evil, deeply wrong things?

Yeah, give me some sunshine and relative obscurity and we're golden.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

iancmceachern wrote: post #92

It's so weird to me that these folks don't just retire with a bag of money to a nice beach house and enjoy life. They're always seeming to meddle. And in doing so they take away our, and their peace. It's like they're troubled deeply and they need us to be also? Why can't they just not do demonstrably evil, deeply wrong things?

It takes a certain personality to continue hoarding wealth even when you know that it comes from exploiting others. The reason why they can't just not do demonstrably evil things is that they have relied on doing evil things to get to where they are.

The kind of person that thinks "I've got more than enough money, I might as well use it to help others" doesn't get to be a billionaire.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by secos »

ratrace wrote: post #90
Betelbuddy wrote: post #73

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No. He is stupid... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4ZjhdkOf0_E https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s-BQhXdCs8Y https://www.tiktok.com/@eddiethemediatrainer/video/752115237...

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He didn't say anything close to "Shooting people in the street is wrong!"

How did you get that from the linked videos?

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by mindslight »

ratrace wrote: post #77
mindslight wrote: post #29

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And when your favored divine-right monarchy comes for their "divine right" with your underage daughters and sons? Will you still be willing to give all for the cause?

I'm going to draft a new theory of sociopolitics called Pedophile-Oriented Ontology. It's when someone's political critique becomes entirely oriented around accusations of pedophilia or lack thereof. Monarchy? Le bad, because the king could be a pedo!

Well in this case it would be "is" rather than "could." Maybe Thiel himself doesn't partake in the forbidden underage fruit (although I don't see why we would rule that out, as it seems to be how the Epstein club binds its members). But then Thiel isn't set up to be the king either, right?

But yes such a critique would be interesting! I think all of Moldbug's florid prose about enlightened monarchism would land much differently if the apogee of that enlightenment isn't some sort of assumed societal grand plan or direction, but is rather just the old base desire for increasingly-immoral perverted debauchery.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by ratrace »

secos wrote: post #95
ratrace wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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He didn't say anything close to "Shooting people in the street is wrong!" How did you get that from the linked videos?

The first video says that Thiel is answering the question "What do you make of people celebrating Luigi?" and his response was "There may be things wrong with our healthcare system, but you have to have an argument and find a way to convince people" and that shooting random CEOs "isn't going to work".

Somehow I'm supposed to be led to believe this makes Thiel come across as stupid. My only guess as to how is because the OP must think that shooting CEOs in the street is an obvious rational good and that opposing such is idiocy, or reactionary fascism (in leftist usage, a synonym for idiocy), or so on.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by JKCalhoun »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #94
iancmceachern wrote: post #92

It's so weird to me that these folks don't just retire with a bag of money to a nice beach house and enjoy life. They're always seeming to meddle. And in doing so they take away our, and their peace. It's like they're troubled deeply and they need us to be also? Why can't they just not do demonstrably evil, deeply wrong things?

It takes a certain personality to continue hoarding wealth even when you know that it comes from exploiting others. The reason why they can't just not do demonstrably evil things is that they have relied on doing evil things to get to where they are. The kind of person that thinks "I've got more than enough money, I might as well use it to help others" doesn't get to be a billionaire.

Exactly.

The wife too, "If I were a billionaire…"

I have to stop her right there. I stop myself there too. Neither one of us could, in any iteration of life, become billionaires.

(There's a time-travel story for someone. Like the movie Primer but with one person who round-trips through time—placing stock bets and other investments in order to become wealthy. When they screw up an investment they get a do-over.

Life also happens though: a relationship, marriage… This aspect though begins to play on a sense of guilt and he resists do-overs in the relationship.

By the close of the story his pursuit of wealth wanes, evaporates completely. Contentment comes finally from his relationship, from accepting his missteps, from embracing the uncertainty of the future. The machine is scrapped, no more do-overs.)

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by Schmerika »

ifwinterco wrote: post #83
Schmerika wrote: post #75

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People can be profoundly stupid in areas like basic/fundamental morality, while also being in the top 0.001% in areas like manipulating media and making money. Examples: Every billionaire. Every single one - except Chuck Feeney who proved the rule.

I'd argue that's not really stupidity, it's more of a moral and spiritual failing. IMO those are really two separate axes, you can be very smart and also completely evil or quite dumb but a genuinely good person

It's not very smart to fail morally and spiritually, over and over, without ever looking into why or trying to correct the issues.

It does take intelligence of a particular kind to examine yourself and what makes you happy, fulfilled. And it takes a certain kind of stupidity to become greedy for more and more and more, neverending.

I don't believe that intelligence is a single axis. You can even have different levels of intelligence on different days for the exact same topic; even on the same day from one hour to the next.

Some people might be great at set theory but terrible at calculus; some people might be great with their hands at sewing but clumsy with glasswork. People are weird and complex.

But what's clear is when people don't even try to be good people. And that requires a particularly dense form of stupidity.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Post by ratrace »

mindslight wrote: post #96
ratrace wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to draft a new theory of sociopolitics called Pedophile-Oriented Ontology. It's when someone's political critique becomes entirely oriented around accusations of pedophilia or lack thereof. Monarchy? Le bad, because the king could be a pedo!

Well in this case it would be "is" rather than "could." Maybe Thiel himself doesn't partake in the forbidden underage fruit (although I don't see why we would rule that out, as it seems to be how the Epstein club binds its members). But then Thiel isn't set up to be the king either, right? But yes such a critique would be interesting! I think all of Moldbug's florid prose about enlightened monarchism would land much…

Tens of thousands of years of political history and the only known paranoia-fueled scandal and suspicion of the elite being immoral pedophiles that I'm aware of is currently happening in a democracy, because a guy who based his identity on knowing as many other powerful people as possible happened to know many powerful people (really??? no way!), and anti-capitalists are desperate for moral superiority so they're willing to psy-op themselves into thinking it's plausible that every person this guy ever emailed must have been a pedo too.

Monarchy never had any of this nonsense. Bring back King George. We made the wrong choice.

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