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Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by akkartik »

porphyra wrote: post #41
freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Anand reached world #1 ranking at 38, managed to win a world championship and defend the title for a decade in his late 40s, and remains in #13 in his 50s right now.

Well he hasn't played a classical game in a year or so.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by sedawkgrep »

zakki wrote: post #86
haunter wrote: post #10

Here are the replays https://lichess.org/broadcast/fide-freestyle-chess-world-cha...

When I clicked one of the game, the initial position is wrong. I clicked another game and it was wrong as well. Am i wrong?

Indeed. This is Chess 960.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by traes »

lethologica wrote: post #71
smt88 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That context doesn't help me at all. Is a "really strong" 12yo in contention to win this particular competition that a 35yo won?

Sorry, I thought you’d be able to make some logical inferences and I assumed you knew a little about chess. In chess there’s a concept of strength, and ELO is used as a rough estimate of this. Further there are FIDE rankings like IM and GM that have certain requirements to achieve. In most sports, there’s never such an age gap. Think of basketball or football. You don’t see 12 year olds hitting the equivalent of GM i…

Obviously a board game will be easier for a child to compete at than a physical sport. Tons of Rubik's cube world records are held by 9 year olds. I don't see why any of this is relevant in answering the question "is it impressive to be winning at 35 in chess?"

Is your point that young kids have an advantage in chess, making it harder to keep up as an adult? They clearly don't. No 12 year old has ever been able to seriously compete with top players, at best they can hold a few draws or win a blitz game here and there. As far as I'm aware Judit Polgar was the only 12 year old to even break into the top 100, and she's an outlier among outliers. Right now the top 3 players in the world are all in their 30s, and there's only one player in the top 50 who's younger than 18.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by p1esk »

hyperbovine wrote: post #79
saucymew wrote: post #9

It feels like the cohort GM player pool is mentally cooked against Magnus. Youngsters like Lazavik during the Speed Chess Championship or Sindarov in Freestyle were the most recent convincing wins against Magnus, but the historical mental edge that Magnus comes into each game after beating the brakes out of everyone is hard to overcome. Magnus' time will come! But not today.

Same exact thing happened in tennis. There was a whole "lost generation" of amazingly talented players who just basically shat the bed whenever they stepped onto the court with Djokovic, Federer, or Nadal. It wasn't until much younger players like Alcaraz and Sinner came on the scene, who weren't quite as overpowered by the aura of the Big 3, that the playing field finally leveled. (And now they themeselves are turni…

Or maybe the “lost generation” was simply not as good as Djokovic, Federer, or Nadal.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by somenameforme »

lethologica wrote: post #39
freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Context helps. A lot of really strong players are 12 years old.

The best young player today, by a wide margin, is Erdogmus. [1] He's not only the youngest grandmaster in the world, but showing an arguably unprecedented level of talent. He's 14 and his rating is 2669. Magnus is 2840. Chess ratings are difficult to explain, even to chess players - who might not appreciate how much harder improvement becomes at higher levels.

Suffice to say that 50 points is considered a major edge, and it increases exponentially so 100 points is much more of an edge than 2x a 50 point edge. Here [2] is a rating expectation calculator. If Erdogmus and Carlsen played a best of 10 match, Carlsen would be expected to win 97% of the time, draw 2% of the time, and lose less than 1% of the time.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ya%C4%9F%C4%B1z_Kaan_Erdo%C4%9...

[2] - https://wismuth.com/elo/calculator.html#rating1=2669&rating2...

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by jibal »

lethologica wrote: post #71
smt88 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That context doesn't help me at all. Is a "really strong" 12yo in contention to win this particular competition that a 35yo won?

Sorry, I thought you’d be able to make some logical inferences and I assumed you knew a little about chess. In chess there’s a concept of strength, and ELO is used as a rough estimate of this. Further there are FIDE rankings like IM and GM that have certain requirements to achieve. In most sports, there’s never such an age gap. Think of basketball or football. You don’t see 12 year olds hitting the equivalent of GM i…

There have only been 4 12 year old GMs in history, and none of them are competitive with Carlsen.

There's a lot more wrong with your comment that someone capable of making logical inferences can readily see, so I won't go into them.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by galkk »

nilslindemann wrote: post #76
Taek wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes modern AIs have an entire opening database and generally have cached the first 20+ moves of the game (for most common openings) from a database of very deep searches identifying the best move. This is absolutely a form of opening prep for AIs. That said, even without that database a modern AI will completely topple the best human at every common chess variant. Humans cannot defeat modern AIs in chess like games.

Like my answer below, that's wrong. Even I have achieved a few draws or even wins against Stockfish in training games, and I am FM strength. From time to time you are happy to reach a simple rook endgame which happens to be won and the engine doesn't anticipate that (horizon effect). You still draw or lose 90% of those but you win 10%.

Either the engine was misconfigured, the hardware you were playing on was glitching or you are omitting something. There is no chance in the world that you can beat stockfish in standard time control.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by lethologica »

dufhfhrirjt wrote: post #84
lethologica wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I thought you’d be able to make some logical inferences and I assumed you knew a little about chess. In chess there’s a concept of strength, and ELO is used as a rough estimate of this. Further there are FIDE rankings like IM and GM that have certain requirements to achieve. In most sports, there’s never such an age gap. Think of basketball or football. You don’t see 12 year olds hitting the equivalent of GM i…

You have still failed to clarify whatever the hell you were attempting to communicate, all you’ve communicated is that you’re an asshole

Oh no. Anyway.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by LogicalRisk »

nilslindemann wrote: post #76
Taek wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes modern AIs have an entire opening database and generally have cached the first 20+ moves of the game (for most common openings) from a database of very deep searches identifying the best move. This is absolutely a form of opening prep for AIs. That said, even without that database a modern AI will completely topple the best human at every common chess variant. Humans cannot defeat modern AIs in chess like games.

Like my answer below, that's wrong. Even I have achieved a few draws or even wins against Stockfish in training games, and I am FM strength. From time to time you are happy to reach a simple rook endgame which happens to be won and the engine doesn't anticipate that (horizon effect). You still draw or lose 90% of those but you win 10%.

That's an extraordinary claim. What level was Stockfish and what were the settings for these training games?

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

throwpoaster wrote: post #17

Do the engines have a similar edge in Fischer Random and regular chess?

Engines have a significantly bigger edge in frc. Humans generally know enough about openings to minimize mistakes for the first 10 or so moves (such that computers playing humans generally are trained to make a couple highly dubious moves to get far away from theory in the opening). engines on the other hand don't go based on theory and are just as capable in 960 as they are in regular chess.
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