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Re: Vim 9.2

#91

Post by LexiMax »

actinium226 wrote: post #23

But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind! Only joking of course, actually quite refreshing to see a new version announcement of something this major without any AI nonsense.

> But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind!

Obviously vim doesn't need AI, but one feature I really wish vim had was native support for multiple cursors.

It's the feature that lured me away to Sublime Text in the first place many years ago, and it's a pre-requisite for pretty much every editor I use these days, from VSCode to Zed.

There are plugins, but multicursor is such a powerful force-multiplier that I think a native implementation would benefit.

Re: Vim 9.2

#92

Post by e-khadem »

gfiorav wrote: post #72

As a die-hard vim fan, I feel bitter-sour saying that I switched to nvim. Honestly, I think the vim maintainers should find a way to merge in nvim.

I think not adding new features frequently and keeping everything stable and working in the long-term is also meritorious. Vim is the same on my local machine, on my rpi, and on an Ubuntu 20.04 VM that I use for some proprietary software.

Also, I cannot think of an extension / new feature that makes sense as a part of Vim (if I want something more, I want a lot more. I don't want Vim to do a lot more, for the sake of simplicity and conformity, that's a job for vscode with Vim extension).

At the same time I wouldn't object to someone adding features to this program. But they have to try really hard to convince me to start relying on that feature (I wouldn't, because I would miss it on Ubuntu 20.04 and I will forget how I used to work without that feature).

I tried nvim a few years ago and honestly didn't find anything advantageous there. But since I had `:sh` in muscle memory and it was a bit (very?) different there I gave up on nvim.

Re: Vim 9.2

#93

Post by lloeki »

satvikpendem wrote: post #28
freedomben wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said I'd have preferred something other than Lua if I had the choice. Same. I know we as a community would never agree on what that language should be, but in my dreams it would have been ruby. Even javascript would have been better for me than Lua.

Lua, especially with LuaJIT, is nearly as fast as C. I certainly don't want to have to run a slow language like Ruby or especially a full blown JS runtime like V8 just to run Vim, the entire point is speed and keyboard ergonomics, otherwise just use VSCode.

Isn't LuaJIT kind of a dead end?

Also Ruby has been getting quite fast since YJIT (and now ZJIT):

https://railsatscale.com/2023-08-29-ruby-outperforms-c/

Re: Vim 9.2

#94

Post by aniviacat »

latexr wrote: post #16
benatkin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could say the same thing about people working on neovim

Technically, Neovim started because the author wanted to add multi-threading to Vim but the patch was rejected. So they did try to contribuir to Vim first. Not that I agree with your parent comment or anything (I don’t), I use Helix so don’t really have a dog in this fight, I think it’s fine for them all to coexist.

Do you know why it was rejected?

Re: Vim 9.2

#95

Post by sigzero »

gfiorav wrote: post #72

As a die-hard vim fan, I feel bitter-sour saying that I switched to nvim. Honestly, I think the vim maintainers should find a way to merge in nvim.

Has neovim settles on a UI yet?

Re: Vim 9.2

#96

Post by sejje »

LexiMax wrote: post #91
actinium226 wrote: post #23

But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind! Only joking of course, actually quite refreshing to see a new version announcement of something this major without any AI nonsense.

> But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind! Obviously vim doesn't need AI, but one feature I really wish vim had was native support for multiple cursors. It's the feature that lured me away to Sublime Text in the first place many years ago, and it's a pre-requisite for pretty much every editor I use these days, from VSCode to Zed. There are plugins, but multicursor is such a powerful force-multiplier tha…

How does it work?

Re: Vim 9.2

#97

Post by mystifyingpoi »

LexiMax wrote: post #91
actinium226 wrote: post #23

But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind! Only joking of course, actually quite refreshing to see a new version announcement of something this major without any AI nonsense.

> But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind! Obviously vim doesn't need AI, but one feature I really wish vim had was native support for multiple cursors. It's the feature that lured me away to Sublime Text in the first place many years ago, and it's a pre-requisite for pretty much every editor I use these days, from VSCode to Zed. There are plugins, but multicursor is such a powerful force-multiplier tha…

The canonical answer to this request is as follows: if you need multi-cursor (or, worse, multi-cursor with mouse support) then you are doing something non-Vim way (aka: wrong way) and there is a better way to do it.

If you need multi-cursor to do manual search and replace in text, then don't, just do automatic search and replace, maybe scoped to a block. If you need multi-cursor for refactoring or renaming a variable across entire source file, then don't, use LSP plugin (or switch to Neovim) and do the proper refactoring action.

Sure, there are legit cases of using multi-cursor in Vim, but they are rare. So it's not worth to put it into Vim itself.

Re: Vim 9.2

#98

Post by mystifyingpoi »

jimmaswell wrote: post #75
linhns wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people don’t know tmux in the industry is really beyond me.

What's the elevator pitch if I already know Screen and I can just open multiple windows of the terminal emulator?

No pitch - just use screen, most people use tmux in exactly the same way - open a few splits and switch between them with keyboard shortcuts.

Re: Vim 9.2

#99

Post by mystifyingpoi »

sigzero wrote: post #95
gfiorav wrote: post #72

As a die-hard vim fan, I feel bitter-sour saying that I switched to nvim. Honestly, I think the vim maintainers should find a way to merge in nvim.

Has neovim settles on a UI yet?

What do you mean? Neovim looks 100% exactly like Vim when you turn it on without any plugins. It's hard to distinguish even. It's the plugins that give it that nerdy look.

Re: Vim 9.2

#100

Post by mystifyingpoi »

einpoklum wrote: post #57

I am a lay user or vim. I use it daily for editing text files and a bit of code, but I always found the plugins and the scripting language rather daunting. There are different, conflicting, plugin management systems; and of course there's the scripting language that's vim-specific, and the few times I tried to delve into this stuff, I quickly found myself in over my head. So - on the occasion of VIm 9.2 coming out -…

Yes, switch to Neovim. Seriously, no sarcasm. You can import your existing .vimrc at first, if you even care. I highly recommend kickstart or some other simple config scaffold.
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