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CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Always easier when you can avoid the law and just buy it off the shelf. It’s fine to do this, we say, because it’s not being done by the government - but if they’re allowed to turn around and buy it we’re much worse off.

Just like when Verizon sold its customers' precise location history to data brokers who then sold it to law enforcement agencies.[^1] Laundered.

[^1]: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/09/court-rejects-ve...

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Apple Face ID is not a good or legitimate feature? You just upset hundreds of millions of people

Most people miss Touch ID on the iPhone.

So biometrtics are OK as long as it's not your face? Trying to derive the first principle here.

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Uh no? Facial recognition to names has been the bread and butter of facial recognition since the beginning. It’s literally the point.

There are plenty of facial rec systems. Thinking of systems like in iOS Photos, or any of the other similar photo library systems. I think pretty much everyone would be freaked out if they started IDing people in your local libraries.

Facebook was doing that 10 years ago

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We need a Constitutional amendment that guarantees a complete right to anonymity at every level: financial, vehicular, travel, etc. This means the government must not take any steps to identify a person or link databases identifying people until there has been a documented crime where the person is a suspect. Only if an anonymous person or their property is caught in a criminal act may the respective identity be inve…

Maybe. Anonymity is where bad actors play. Better to have better disclosure and de-anonymization in some cases. If some live in fear (e.g. of cartels), go after the cartels harder than they go after you.

Anonymity is where little bad actors play. The big ones don't need to be anonymous because their nefariousness is legal, or they don't get prosecuted. See: waves vaguely in the direction of the US government.

That said, the recent waves vaguely in the direction of the US government has demonstrated the weakness of legal restrictions on the government. It's good to have something you can point to when they violate it, but it's too easily ignored. There's no substitute for good governance.

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Maybe. Anonymity is where bad actors play. Better to have better disclosure and de-anonymization in some cases. If some live in fear (e.g. of cartels), go after the cartels harder than they go after you.

> Anonymity is where bad actors play That is a myth spread by control freaks and power seekers. Yes, bad actors prefer anonymity, but the quoted statement is intended to mislead and deceive because good actors can also prefer strong anonymity. These good actors probably even outnumber bad ones by 10:1. To turn it around, deanonymization is where the bad actors play. Also, anonymity can be nuanced. For example, vehicl…

Not sure why you say that statement was intended to deceive?

Both good and bad actors benefit in the current system from anonymity. If bad actors had their identities revealed, they'd have a lot harder time being a bad actor. Good actors need anonymity because of those bad actors.

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Did you mean Vietnamese supremacist?

Nope. I meant white supremacist [1]. Notice I didn't say smart white supremacist.

[1] https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5e8cc7922300005600169bd...

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Facial recognition is not a legitimate private enterprise. It is a complete failure of legislation that it is allowed to exist.

Apple Face ID is not a good or legitimate feature? You just upset hundreds of millions of people

When it's allegedly stored in the Secure Enclave and the data unable to leave the device, it is obviously not the same interaction. I personally would be fine with a law making that distinction with the on-device recognition as legal.

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Why do you write so many low-effort, disingenuous, inflammatory comments? They're "not even wrong", yet they just suck energy right out of productive discussion as people inevitably respond to one part of your broken framing, and then they're off to the races arguing about nonsense. The main problem with the law not being applied evenly is structural - how do you get the people tasked with enforcing the law to enforc…

They're "not even wrong", yet they just suck energy right out of productive discussion

You answered your own question - it's straight up bait.

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