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Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by XorNot »

dboreham wrote: post #86
xvector wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be naive, do you really think Pam Bondi has a choice in the release of these files? She is just a figurehead, her or her family's life is almost certainly under threat

Spot on. Unclear why this is being down voted. Underneath everything related to this "administration" is the implied threat of violence.

Because it's based on no evidence, and framed to imply a government official openly breaking the law is somehow the victim here (The files are already meant to be released by law, many of the redactions are illegal).

If Bondi doesn't want to execute the duties of the office she can resign.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by JMiao »

dang wrote: post #58
nixosbestos wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I regretted this pretty much after I wrote it. I'm upset, didn't need to be at you. I'm having a bit of a hard time compartmentalizing? all of this, despite my default cynic attitude. Time for an extended break from things.

Kudos for recovering this nicely. I've seen a number of HN threads lately where commenters regain their balance like this and respond in a thoroughly decent way. A new pattern? I wish! but it's probably just the clustering illusion... ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37303788 )

what about a new top nav category next to show? decency

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by hellgas00 »

nixosbestos wrote: post #49
RajT88 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What a fucking joke. This site is a joke. This discourse is a joke. The entire pretense of these bullshit conversations are a joke. Don't take it out on me. I am outraged. I can't be outraged every minute of every day, and certainly not at the very-unlikely-to-be-true worst theories from the files. I am so sorry my post did not live up to your expectations. You're right about something: > you know, than remarking o…

Sorry, I regretted this pretty much after I wrote it. I'm upset, didn't need to be at you. I'm having a bit of a hard time compartmentalizing? all of this, despite my default cynic attitude. Time for an extended break from things.

You were right the first time, the holier-than-thou sanctimony is a bit much, especially as it relates to these developments.

Nearly half the potentially responsive files still withheld (per reports of ~6M pages collected but only ~3.5M released, plus heavy redactions and privilege claims), and HN top commentary is about not rushing to judgement and conspiracy theories... maybe it's because the government is literally running an active cover up on a child abuse scandal that involves the billionaires, the elites, and threatens to take down entire governments.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by asdff »

fromMars wrote: post #88
dash2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, and also a lot of antisemitism seems to have been enabled.

Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary. As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews. Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church. Epstein isn't the…

>It's hard not to feel like a lot of people want to paint a picture that Jews are especially depraved and amoral.

That is because it is true, a lot of people do want to paint all Jews like that. People would probably find the catholic church stuff even juicier if the vatican was running an intelligence agency that brokers with most other western intelligence agencies with these same rapists.

The thing with Epstein is that he really seems heavily connected to intelligence. Maxwells dad is alleged to be a Mossad agent. There are pictures of him in meetings in his office with a map of Israel, gaza, and the west bank on the wall. There are FBI documents that allege epstein himself was at least at one point a Mossad agent.

So you have this compelling israeli intelligence angle. The fact that global elites genuinely partied with this man. All the history of the case from the sweetheart plea deal in 2007 that stopped the federal investigation at the time in its tracks and granted immunity for potentially involved parties, the fact he was never actually convicted before he died (even that is suspect), the fact that outside Maxwell no one has been arrested.

I mean it really quacks like a tin foil hat global elite conspiracy. That is what makes this story so damn juicy and compelling. It isn't just a couple priests getting their rocks off with some alter boys, but an entire systematic thing where its looking like this guy was not only trafficking girls but running some sort of Bene Gesserit esque breeding program impregnating teenagers he thought had good genetic traits.

You couldn't even write this stuff into a movie it is so wild and hardly believable if it wasn't coming from DOJ evidence respositories.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by DropkickM16 »

delichon wrote: post #19
iterateoften wrote: post #18

Honestly I’ve been sick to my stomach these past few days. I wasn’t even looking for the files and saw some in my feed on Reddit. Basically take the most sad and disturbing Eastern European horror and put it in email form. I had to stop my Seinfeld rewatch because I saw one email were he just happened to be boating by and stopped by the island for lemonade. The richest people and political elite were openly trading p…

Your distress may be related to your low standard of alarm. There's no evidence that Seinfeld replied let alone accepted.

Thank you, White Knight!

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by rkomorn »

iterateoften wrote: post #18

Honestly I’ve been sick to my stomach these past few days. I wasn’t even looking for the files and saw some in my feed on Reddit. Basically take the most sad and disturbing Eastern European horror and put it in email form. I had to stop my Seinfeld rewatch because I saw one email were he just happened to be boating by and stopped by the island for lemonade. The richest people and political elite were openly trading p…

> I had to stop my Seinfeld rewatch

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't buy the "separate the artist from the artwork" line.

I can't say I've ever watched Seinfeld, but there are plenty of other artists whose work I just won't consume anymore because they've done things I find despicable (and that I know of).

Why would I want to see or hear them or even think about them while trying to enjoy something?

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by docdeek »

thrance wrote: post #15

Not a single mention of Trump. Really fucking impressive journalism.

This article is not about who was mentioned in the files or emails, but who was sending and receiving emails. Even then, it limits itself to only the top email senders and receipients. Trump might be mentioned often in the emails, but if he is not among the top couple of hundred senders/receivers of emails, then he’s not going to be mentioned in this article.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by thefz »

protocolture wrote: post #60
gowthamgts12 wrote: post #24

How low we have become to do nothing about it? No arrests no convictions?

What do you mean? I understand the reporting is like "LOOK AT ALL THESE CRIMES" but the files themselves are stuff like "Tee hee I know some girls for you". How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction? If you unredacted that person, identified them and called them would they tell you that the girls were all 18 or older? Or would they incriminate themselves? Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on? I…

In the files there are scanned documents from the FBI reporting direct testimony from the victims of rape, violence, murder from prominent politicians, bankers, et cetera.

Start with... investigating that?

Ask them: why this person should be going around telling people you raped her? Have you ever met?

You know, like law enforcement does when there is the suspect of a crime.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by dash2 »

asdff wrote: post #94
fromMars wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary. As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews. Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church. Epstein isn't the…

>It's hard not to feel like a lot of people want to paint a picture that Jews are especially depraved and amoral. That is because it is true, a lot of people do want to paint all Jews like that. People would probably find the catholic church stuff even juicier if the vatican was running an intelligence agency that brokers with most other western intelligence agencies with these same rapists. The thing with Epstein is…

Yeah, but 2 things can both be true:

1 The Epstein story has an interesting Mossad angle, maybe they contacted him or even paid him

2 Lunatic antisemites (and probably many bots) are overrunning the internet with medieval-style antisemitism in which Epstein is still alive, babies were eaten, etc.

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