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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by jlaternman »

2bitencryption wrote: post #36

The interesting part, for anyone who actually reads the article - the change was fixed in an RC and then reverted in the final release. Which implies there was some regression, some issue, some incorrect behavior or negative impact. One has to wonder… what could it have been? What could the issue with having a more accurate clickbox for the corner of the window possibly be?

macOS does have weirdness with windows that span multiple screens. I bet some of that kicked in to an unacceptable level. It can create incoherent moving/snapping, for example. Has been kind of crazy-making for a while, for my set-up where screens are not joined but adjacent in a triangular configuration.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by undeveloper »

xvxvx wrote: post #2

I’m a Windows guy, but was given a MacBook for my current job. Fair enough. But I laugh at how horrendous such a simple thing as resizing windows is. Want Slack to take up the right third of a screen then fill the rest with browser? In Windows, it takes 2 seconds. Not on Mac. I have to resize the window myself? There’s no auto-snap? I’m sure someone will buzz in with some hidden way to do it. ‘Hold cmd-shft-9 then sa…

you're not wrong, but for convenience's sake you should probably know that you can hold option and click the green "expand" button to fill the workspace

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

jakub_g wrote: post #66

Since we talk resizing windows, for months I was _sometimes_ unable to resize windows at all, and couldn't figure out why. I thought it was a random bug of macOS. Finally I realized the issue: if a window spans across two displays, it won't resize. Insane! (I have an external monitor up, laptop down, and it's easy to move a window such that it stretches a few pixels from monitor to the laptop. No resize for you!)

Easy to stretch a few pixels? Easier to move windows with super+arrows so they snap perfectly to the monitor borders, and then you'd never have this issue. I rarely drag windows "by hand" (by mouse) anymore!

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

ndiddy wrote: post #86
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mac desktop works on a totally different paradigm than the Windows-like model most other desktops have adopted. It’s built around not managing windows and instead letting them be whatever size fits their content and pile up like papers on a desk, complete with having relevant bits of some windows peek out from underneath other windows. For those it works for, it works really well. For those who came from windows…

That used to be the case, but in 10.7 they changed the green window button from being "zoom" (snap the window to fit its content) to "fullscreen". They let you change the default behavior back to zoom for a few years but seem to have gotten rid of that setting. You can still access the zoom behavior by option-clicking the green button, but on basically every program I've tried, zoom just means "maximize" like on Wind…

The behavior of the (now option-clicked) zoom button is actually determined by each individual program. Most stock apps will either fit to content or toggle between the last two recent sizes, but a lot of third party apps (especially those built with foreign UI frameworks) tend to turn it into a maximize button.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by eddyg »

neodymiumphish wrote: post #7

I’ve tried many apps for window resizing on Mac, and none feel like they’re nearly as good as FancyZones (the PowerToys module for Windows). I don’t want secret squirrel key combos. I don’t want hot corners. I want two things: - Predefined zones à la FancyZones - Tied edges (there’s surely a better term for this) so that I can grab the edge between two apps and have them both resize together (one gets smaller as the…

Swish⁽¹⁾ lets you drag the divider to resize multiple windows at once. BentoBox⁽²⁾ is inspired by Fancy Zones. And Lasso⁽³⁾ is a grid-based window manager with custom layouts. There's also MacsyZones⁽⁴⁾ that appears to resize multiple adjoining windows but I've never used it (it appears to be open-source with an option to pay to support the author).

⁽¹⁾ https://highlyopinionated.co/swish/

⁽²⁾ https://bentoboxapp.com/

⁽³⁾ https://www.thelasso.app/

⁽⁴⁾ https://macsyzones.com/

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by firen777 »

dham wrote: post #59
Lucasoato wrote: post #5

Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave.

Mac has always had horrible window management. Made worse because applications and windows are a separate concept. Used to seem clever but in the world of multiple workspaces it's a terrible decision. Now it's even worse trying to manage multiple llms and projects.

> because applications and windows are a separate concept

Is this the reason why "closed" applications still show up in cmd+tab?

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by renato_shira »

ggm wrote: post #56

This is a design flub which we are told Jobs simply wouldn't have let out the door. The Jobs who made people shave 50ms off boot times. The Jobs who demanded the no button mouse. I get the cult of Steve is a bit oversold but the proprietor liked to check the finish on the car rolling out the end of the line and if his fingers felt a rough edge on a panel he had no compunction stopping the production line to find the…

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by jazzyjackson »

xvxvx wrote: post #50
Someone1234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like anyone reading that, and thinking that is a reasonable/intuitive design, may be quite far down the rabbit-hole. It reads like a parody.

It’s significantly worse than I even imagined.

It's two gestures, a swipe and a click and drag.

I'm not even saying Mac is superior here, just that there's a quick way to do full screen splits

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by blindriver »

GuB-42 wrote: post #84
2bitencryption wrote: post #36

The interesting part, for anyone who actually reads the article - the change was fixed in an RC and then reverted in the final release. Which implies there was some regression, some issue, some incorrect behavior or negative impact. One has to wonder… what could it have been? What could the issue with having a more accurate clickbox for the corner of the window possibly be?

It can be some technical detail. For example: imagine you have 2 windows, the lower right corner of one window almost touching the upper right corner of the other, so that the bounding rectangles overlap but the graphics don't. With the inaccurate "false square" corners, you just had to check the bounding rectangles, to know which window to resize, now you have to check the actual graphics (or more likely, a mask). I…

Just revert the code back to pre-26! This is ridiculous, it can't possibly be this hard and if it is, it just points to the degradation in the quality of Apple software! This is maddening!
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