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Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by deaux »

phainopepla2 wrote: post #72
bsder wrote: post #68

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> As an american, grocery checkout queueing always angered me. It should, because practically everywhere in the US does it wrong. There should be a single entry queue that distributes to the multiple handlers. Instead, you wind up with multiple queues so that people get hung up behind someone causing slow handling. The one that infuriates me are bank queues. Look, folks, both queuing theory and experience show that y…

> It should, because practically everywhere in the US does it wrong Where do they do it differently? I've been in grocery stores across Western Europe, Asia and Latin America, and the only place I recall seeing the single entry queue was at a Trader Joe's in NYC

Large grocery stores actually seem to do this the least, but many types of stores default to this in much of the world. Clothing stores, book stores, stationary stores.

Many larger convenience stores do and those are close to being small grocery stores.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by deaux »

righthand wrote: post #27
jondwillis wrote: post #11

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Will you provide context around how you got involved and got your neighbors to vocalize? I think there’s a lot of learned helplessness and cynicism that gets in the way of making things better. I know I personally suffer from this and lack the tools, motivation, and follow-through to make an impact.

I’ll just link you to my reply but getting involved with a group about your specific first-world problem shouldn’t be difficult. For everything else either start a group or join one. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46991515 I also protested during BLM and advocated for repealing 50-A amendment that gave criminal police protection from prosecution in NY. And we succeeded at that too!

Unfortunately your linked comment got flagged, so it might be nice to repeat it here as you can still see it.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by coldtea »

>Of course, I know that there is nothing innate in the miraculous "Japanese Way" because expats living here quickly adapt to the same behaviors.

That just proves it's not genetic/innate (which nobody seriously doubted). But it is a unique developed trait of a culture. The expacts merely "adapted" to it. The Japanese culture on the other hand, developed it (and thus gave this specific thing to adapt to).

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by coldtea »

anigbrowl wrote: post #87
ux266478 wrote: post #82

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TBH I don't agree with the idea that sarcasm is exclusively the friendly variety. It also serves the role of being patronizing, scornful or even outright provocation.

Sarcasm is never friendly; it's necessarily at the expense of someone else. The simplest example is where someone makes a bold claim and someone else says 'sure, buddy...' to express contemptuous disbelief via the weakest possible form of assent. The claimant here wants to be believed, or at least agreed with. Irony is imho much more complex and variegated, but a simple example would be any sort of self-deprecating h…

>Sarcasm is never friendly; it's necessarily at the expense of someone else

That doesn't preclude it from being friendly. Part of the friend experience is jockingly busting each others balls ocassionally.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by [deleted] »

svnt wrote: post #76
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #73

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The OP suggested “The engineering-focused materialist way of looking at stuff like this makes my head and heart hurt.” Therefore excluding “materialist way of looking at stuff” from the question of social theory I have still yet to hear any elucidation with any type of philosophical rigor of why about the questions of humanity should exclude materialist lenses Further, at no point was there a epistemological foundati…

I read it as an expression of personal experience, not a declaration of anything. "Be not arrogant because of your knowledge, but confer with the ignorant man as with the learned, for the limits of skill are not attainable."

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Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by assaddayinh »

Culture is a ritualized enslavement of the sexual other into a contract upholding institution. This institution may progress and diversify in time, forming a meta family aka a high trust society given economic circumstances. Not all cultures can form these contractcults and if you cant you are screwed in a world of large powers and nuclear proliferation.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by woooooo »

strogonoff wrote: post #36
bwfan123 wrote: post #33

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> culture is intertwined with the hard problem of consciousness Majority of people are sleep-walking as machines driven by imitation, habit and external forces. We live in a dreamlike, mechanical state lacking the awareness of this itself. apropos: Gurdjieff

Very uncharitable and questionable on a few levels. Every human exists in context of society, no human exists standalone—the very definition of self , as in self-awareness, has the existence of other as a prerequisite. People you see are perfectly aware of themselves; it’s just that awareness of yourself does not mean you have to violate societal norms and show how individual you are all the time—at best, it requires…

There's definitely a scale for curiosity and self-inquiry. Some people actually have very little going on there.

Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by [deleted] »

coldtea wrote: post #94
anigbrowl wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sarcasm is never friendly; it's necessarily at the expense of someone else. The simplest example is where someone makes a bold claim and someone else says 'sure, buddy...' to express contemptuous disbelief via the weakest possible form of assent. The claimant here wants to be believed, or at least agreed with. Irony is imho much more complex and variegated, but a simple example would be any sort of self-deprecating h…

> Sarcasm is never friendly; it's necessarily at the expense of someone else That doesn't preclude it from being friendly. Part of the friend experience is jockingly busting each others balls ocassionally.

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Re: Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings

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Post by gsf_emergency_6 »

coldtea wrote: post #94
anigbrowl wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sarcasm is never friendly; it's necessarily at the expense of someone else. The simplest example is where someone makes a bold claim and someone else says 'sure, buddy...' to express contemptuous disbelief via the weakest possible form of assent. The claimant here wants to be believed, or at least agreed with. Irony is imho much more complex and variegated, but a simple example would be any sort of self-deprecating h…

> Sarcasm is never friendly; it's necessarily at the expense of someone else That doesn't preclude it from being friendly. Part of the friend experience is jockingly busting each others balls ocassionally.

Jockingly? Is this meant to suggest that brutal honesty is an adjacent pasttime of jocks?

The man who is brutally honest enjoys the brutality as much as the honesty. Possibly more.

Another thing in the domain of "friendly" that this brings to mind is "fire".

I have oft experienced this metaphorical friendly fire but they never seem to be as therapeutic as well-targeted irony :)

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