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Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by roysting »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #61
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #47

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Artificially promoted (by who?) for (what) social engineering purposes? And frankly, isn't all promotion artificial?

I think the comment was intended to be sarcastic

No. These are not unknowable things. CIA, etc. releases and leaks make it possible for even you to know them. Just because most people are simply unaware because they operate in what can only be described as a manufactured state of ignorance, like a "Matrix" or the artificial world of gaslighting and manipulation depicted in 1984, does not make it impossible to know the things that are openly and publicly knowable. What is your excuse for not knowing these knowable things?

I am sure you believe in certain things, you have convictions of some kind, some ideals you espouse. How would you think any of those things could come true if you are like a head of cattle on a range, with no understanding of your state of existing solely for the benefit of the rancher, grazing not because you are cattle that likes grazing, but because the rancher likes you grazing for his own purposes?

Don't worry though, you are not the only one who is really rather aggressively and intentionally self-deluding and seemingly unable and unwilling to see reality, since the soma he is fed is so pleasant and comfortable and warm.

Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by keiferski »

chaps wrote: post #88
keiferski wrote: post #86

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Where did I say it’s not okay for people to like simple things I don’t like? I just said having aesthetic opinions doesn’t make someone a snob.

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I really don’t know how to reply to this.

I’m not “shaming someone’s work,” I said 1) they look like generic graphics, and 2) I primarily said someone isn’t a snob for disliking them, which is what the OP comment claimed.

Even then, analyzing a piece of art work is called art criticism. It’s not exactly a new thing, nor is it some kind of personal attack.

But as I said above, the quality of aesthetic discussion has fallen so much that expressing any critical opinion, no matter how minor, is some kind of shaming attack that indicates I have a personal problem or I’m a snob. Which is a totally insane way to view the world.

Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by keiferski »

antonvs wrote: post #89
keiferski wrote: post #32

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Being critical of generic-looking murals doesn’t make someone a snob.

I searched for some pictures. The first couple I came across looked like the result of a prompt to an AI: "generate images of plastic honey bears with various outfits and/or accessories": https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQajHzw... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpoQbV... There's AI slop, and then there's human slop.

Yeah I mean, they are cute little graphics and a fun character/brand, but I don’t exactly see how people consider this some masterful piece of artwork. I don’t live in SF, but I can imagine it gets old to see it everywhere.

Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by chaps »

keiferski wrote: post #92
chaps wrote: post #88

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I really don’t know how to reply to this. I’m not “shaming someone’s work,” I said 1) they look like generic graphics, and 2) I primarily said someone isn’t a snob for disliking them, which is what the OP comment claimed. Even then, analyzing a piece of art work is called art criticism. It’s not exactly a new thing, nor is it some kind of personal attack. But as I said above, the quality of aesthetic discussion has f…

Friend. Friend....

Snobbery is a spectrum. You might not perceive your words as snobbery, but I do. We just have a different opinion of where you fall on that snobbery line.

Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by fogzen »

Help me understand… he makes a full time living getting people to pay him to paint murals of honeybears? What is he selling, exactly?

His store is literally just the same image of a generic honeybear… is he selling $10k plus a month of that same honeybear print?

Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by vonneumannstan »

roysting wrote: post #90
pjc50 wrote: post #69

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.. what new kind of conspiracy theory BS is this, that George Martin was a lizard?

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>You just think you are the main character because of narcissism

As opposed to your grandiose self worth based on knowing "secret" information lol. Go back to your cave tinfoil hat boy. No one cares.

Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by c22 »

chaps wrote: post #94
keiferski wrote: post #92

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I really don’t know how to reply to this. I’m not “shaming someone’s work,” I said 1) they look like generic graphics, and 2) I primarily said someone isn’t a snob for disliking them, which is what the OP comment claimed. Even then, analyzing a piece of art work is called art criticism. It’s not exactly a new thing, nor is it some kind of personal attack. But as I said above, the quality of aesthetic discussion has f…

Friend. Friend.... Snobbery is a spectrum. You might not perceive your words as snobbery, but I do. We just have a different opinion of where you fall on that snobbery line.

I'm a snob for good hn threads with substance, but this thread stinks.

Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by roysting »

vonneumannstan wrote: post #96
roysting wrote: post #90

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>You just think you are the main character because of narcissism As opposed to your grandiose self worth based on knowing "secret" information lol. Go back to your cave tinfoil hat boy. No one cares.

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Re: How to make a living as an artist

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Post by 7402 »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #33

I'd say painting is quite a different business model than making music. There are different channels, people nowadays don't understand the value of music because they "have" everything on Spotify/Apple Music/whatever and there must be a huge tech behind you to sell good quality of sound. You also can't make your own CD (yes you can, but will it work with a CDR recorder?) and sell it progressively for $100 then for $5…

Painting is a tough business. If you have the talent to spend a month on a painting and then find people will happily pay $2000 for it in a gallery, you are a fantastic artist!

But the gallery takes 50% leaving you a gross income of $12k. Then you pay for your supplies and work expenses. If that's all you do, you end up way below the poverty line.

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