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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by esseph »

dark-star wrote: post #32
airstrike wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And lose every user in the process

I think you massively overestimate how many people actually care. My guess is that 95% or more of all Discord users do not care and simply upload their selfie or ID card and be done with it. I know I will (although they did say that they expect 80%+ to not require verification since they can somehow infer their age from other parameters)

> I know I will

Are you a minority, LGBTQ+, etc or of a "different" political persuasion that might have any reason to be distrustful of the US government? If so, you probably wouldn't just "be done with it".

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by monksy »

leftouterjoins wrote: post #58
gnarbarian wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you counter this by using an id verified service like login.gov or okta verify. That's the endgame and what the EU really wants. No poasting unless they can arrest you for inconvenient memes.

Yes this is spot on. Apple & Google mobile platforms are locked down tight for this reason. Try installing okta verify on graphene OS. You cannot.

They're getting worse with attested and validated environments. This one of the reasons that google is trying to kill sideloaded apps and checking for root access.

Weird thing.. the people who want this validation fully expect for you to pay for, maintain, keep it valid, and pay for upkeep/service for their desires. Honestly, this is something that SHOULD get very aggressive pushback.. but most people accept for no reason.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by ddtaylor »

herpdyderp wrote: post #73
GaryBluto wrote: post #39

I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like. Does the convenience of remaining on a service you don't like the management of outweigh the mild effort to find an alternative solution?

> remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like And yet here we all are, still in an uproar every time GitHub goes down. Change is slow, we can't all leave GitHub in a day. Same with Discord users.

I think the Discord situation is a bit different.

Getting everyone to switch away from Discord has been hard because getting everyone to spontaneously switch with no clear benefit hasn't worked. They want to just keep using the app and get back into a game with their friend.

It's different to lock a door and task users with getting the key to come back in. This is more similar to an MMORPG that kills their audience because they cause the core group to stop playing and then all of the other players experiences get worse, which causes a downward trend that avalanches.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by oliyoung »

GaryBluto wrote: post #39

I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like. Does the convenience of remaining on a service you don't like the management of outweigh the mild effort to find an alternative solution?

> I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them

The Network Effect.

That's it. Their friends are there so they're there.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by bob1029 »

cocoto wrote: post #4

The real and robust method will be generating artificial video input instead of the real webcam. I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. If they start requiring to use a phone with harder to spoof camera input, you will simply be able to put the camera in front of a high resolution screen. The cat and mouse game will not last long.

They could do what a bank does and run everyone's ID through chexsystems. It's really hard to defeat this. Fake identities don't exist in the system and stolen ones would get flagged by geographic, time of use and velocity rules.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by digiown »

monksy wrote: post #83

This project is something that we would want to archive pretty quickly. I can see those service being upset over that being exposed.

You're assuming discord or twitch actually care. I doubt they actually do. It's there to preempt the regulatory hammer, and the presence of clunky workarounds like this doesn't affect it if it doesn't reach the mainstream. If it does, they can just patch it.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Retr0id »

poly2it wrote: post #89
Retr0id wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My account is almost a decade old and discord is still asking me to complete age verification.

Are they rolling this out in stages? I haven't been asked to prove the age of my account.

I'm in the UK (where the law allows them to use heuristics).

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Barrin92 »

GaryBluto wrote: post #39

I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like. Does the convenience of remaining on a service you don't like the management of outweigh the mild effort to find an alternative solution?

>remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them

because that's not how they view it. For most Gen Z users and younger their digital identity already is their identity and they have no problem verifying it because the idea of being anonymous on a social network defeats the purpose of being there in the first place.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by digiown »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #15
consumer451 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a way to do this, where nearly everyone is fine.[0] However, the orgs don’t get to capture verified adult user identity to pad the value of their user data profiles… [0] https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/around-the-gl...

It seems unlikely that "is user adult" is not already easily modeled by any of these companies to within a very high degree of confidence. Even 15 or 20 years ago Google search could bracket your age pretty effectively. It doesn't seem like this adds metadata that wasn't already there.

If they admit this, they wouldn't be able to advertise to children anymore without breaking many rules.
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