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According to Congress and blessed by Supreme Court, immigration law is civil, not criminal and therefore all criminal due process law does not apply. It's been that way for over 40 years so yes, according to Congress/SCOTUS, this is legal.
The nuances of criminal procedure may not apply, but the fundamental constitutional rights still do, as well as human rights. Indeterminate detention violates both.
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Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.
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It's in the legal filings: https://www.universalhub.com/files/attachments/2026/culleton... "Culleton concedes he is removable under the VWP. Reply 10." He came to the U.S. under the Visa Waiver Program, which is limited to 90 days, back in 2009.
And yet neither has he been removed nor has he been granted access to a trial. I also like these parts: > Culleton testified that he did not sign the Notice nor did he write “I’m married to a citizen and have a work permit” on it. > Secore testified that he remembered serving the Notice on Culleton, but not watching Culleton sign it. > Secore also testified that the paperwork was riddled with mistaken dates because o…
What do you think that proves?
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I agree that it doesn't say that in the article, but on the other hand, he admits having been here for 20 years. That definitely implies that he is here illegally and knew it. He likely would get denied a green card as a result of that choice. As much as I loathe everything about how ICE is conducting their activities these days, this case does not seem like a good candidate for sympathy, it does not look like injust…
In your view, is legality always and invariably the same as justice? In other words, are all laws just, and all that's just is codified as law?
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#95Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.
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Indeterminate detention without end goal violates the law. However, my guess is process is moving along, just extremely slowly.
A distinction without a difference, and it's questionable whether deportation is actually the goal here. If that were the case they could put him on plane today.
Basically, the guy admits that he overstayed the terms of the Visa Waiver Program, but is arguing that the fact INS started processing his adjustment of status application gives him the right to stay in the U.S. until it's resolved:
> Culleton concedes he is removable under the VWP. Reply 10. But he argues that because USCIS accepted and began processing his adjustment of status application, he is entitled to due process protections in its fair adjudication. Id. at 9. The Fifth Circuit has foreclosed this very argument, reasoning that the VWP waiver includes a waiver of due process rights. See Mukasey, 555 F.3d at 462. And “[t]he fact that [Culleton] applied for an adjustment of status before the DHS issued its notice of removal is of no consequence.” Id.
Remember that the whole point of the Visa Waiver Program is that you're conceding up front that you're just visiting and aren't making a claim for asylum or whatever. The idea is that the U.S. makes it easy for you to enter, in return for you agreeing that the U.S. can easily deport you if you overstay.
Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months
#97Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.
But SV cheers it on
Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months
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The article says he refused to sign the deportation paperwork, does that not mean that his continued detention is a choice under his control? He could agree to return to Ireland and they would put him on a plane.
Compare: "The man refused to sign confession-papers, so that means his continued imprisonment is actually a choice under his control. He could simply confess to jaywalking, and they'd rip him away from his family and life and exile him to the streets of another country within a mere day or two. No problem." Abject surrender in the face of threats/violence is always, technically, a fast resolution to anything, but it'…
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
This Irish man would probably prefer to be removed from the property (country), instead of being indefinitely detained waiting for a trial whose outcome is already known. The 6th Amendment of the US contains a right to a speedy trial. Otherwise, every arrest can become a life sentence if no trial is ever held.
The article says he refused to sign the deportation paperwork, does that not mean that his continued detention is a choice under his control? He could agree to return to Ireland and they would put him on a plane.