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Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by joe_mamba »

ido wrote: post #85
joe_mamba wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>High-end chips should be more of a EU concerted effort rather than every country for itself. And how are we gonna do that exactly? EU runs on national interests of those footing the bill, mainly France and Germany as the largest net contributors. When you're relying on national subsidies to build and run a factory and adjacent infrastructure in a country, you're tied to national interests and demands of those countr…

The solution is to make the EU more like an actual unified economic and monitary union- with a central fiscal authority, unified public debt, all member states joining the Eurozone, unified tax system, etc.

So in your opinion, the solution is that individual national serenity should be abolished and the EU should have the liberty, nay, the authority to fleece its highest payers into the system, like France and Germany, and then redistribute their money to whoever and whatever it sees fit, for the "greater good" of the union, with no accountability or obligation to provide them equal benefits in return?

How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps?

How do you expect those people footing most of the bill to give up their status quo and voluntarily sign up for something like this? Oh wait, I remember, that's why they're pushing chat control and digital-ID on us.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by RobertoG »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #75
Herring wrote: post #28

China has many faults. Invading other countries is not one of them. They haven’t dropped bombs on foreign soil in over 40 years. The Chinese playbook here is to first copy then out-scale and out-innovate until eventually nobody remembers why Taiwan was so important.

In 1962 China launched a surprise war against India. They did it in the same week as the Cuban missile crisis, ensuring that the US and USSR would be too distracted to intervene. This was after 13 years of friendship between India and China, where India had supported China in many ways including supporting the Communists getting the UN Security Council seat reserved for China. China and India had signed a friendship…

You make it to look like if, out of the blue, they attacked they neighbor. Not mention of what the reason of China (right or wrong) could be. Then you complain of uncritically spreading propaganda.

From Wikipedia: "There had been a series of border skirmishes between the two countries after the 1959 Tibetan uprising, when India granted asylum to the Dalai Lama. Chinese military action grew increasingly aggressive after India rejected proposed Chinese diplomatic settlements throughout 1960–1962, with China resuming previously banned "forward patrols" in Ladakh after 30 April 1962."

1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

#93

Post by petesergeant »

joe_mamba wrote: post #91
ido wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is to make the EU more like an actual unified economic and monitary union- with a central fiscal authority, unified public debt, all member states joining the Eurozone, unified tax system, etc.

So in your opinion, the solution is that individual national serenity should be abolished and the EU should have the liberty, nay, the authority to fleece its highest payers into the system, like France and Germany, and then redistribute their money to whoever and whatever it sees fit, for the "greater good" of the union, with no accountability or obligation to provide them equal benefits in return? How is this not c…

> How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps?

Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

#94

Post by joe_mamba »

petesergeant wrote: post #93
joe_mamba wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in your opinion, the solution is that individual national serenity should be abolished and the EU should have the liberty, nay, the authority to fleece its highest payers into the system, like France and Germany, and then redistribute their money to whoever and whatever it sees fit, for the "greater good" of the union, with no accountability or obligation to provide them equal benefits in return? How is this not c…

> How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps? Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?

Firstly, NO, the US is a country, the EU is not.

Secondly, even if the US as a country is tighter integrated and more financially successful than the EU as a union, the US is not a successful model example of a well functioning society that people in the EU would aspire to emulate, on the contrary, they'd rather preserve the status quo than turning into something resembling what the US has become.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

#95

Post by roenxi »

ifwinterco wrote: post #90
roenxi wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems a bit too simple. I saw one particular graph [0] once that really stuck with me illustrating just how decisively Europe was ejected from the semiconductor market. It takes more than just inaction to achieve results like that. In many ways it could be called an impressive feat that only the Europeans could achieve. 44% of production to 9% - losing a steady 1% of the market every year, largest to smallest pl…

I think it can just take inaction, because it's a market that moves so fast and requires constant enormous investment to keep up. If you just do nothing within half a decade or so you'll be far behind the cutting edge and at that point the decline gains its own momentum

It is possible. But that seems out of character for the Europeans, they're pretty consistent about going the distance to make absolutely sure that the next new thing doesn't happen in Europe.

It seems much more likely they had a suite of environmental, social and trade policies carefully calibrated to move semiconductor manufacturing somewhere else.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

#96

Post by petesergeant »

zarzavat wrote: post #80
yanhangyhy wrote: post #18

Taiwanese politicians, like those under American-style democracy in many regions, only care about safeguarding their own interests and have no concern for how to protect the interests of the public. Once TSMC’s factories are completed in Japan and the United States and the technology is secured, Taiwan will no longer have any value worth protecting. Of course, the politicians can always take planes and leave in advan…

TSMC can shut the fabs down whenever they want. If the US think they can take over a fab like it's a t-shirt factory and keep it running without TSMC's cooperation they are sorely mistaken. What are you going to do when none of the Taiwanese workers turn up for work, or worse they do turn up and sabotage the fab.

If you don’t think the US security apparatus will come up with a reasonable plan for doing just that within 2 months of it opening, I don’t think you’re thinking hard enough about this.

> What are you going to do when none of the Taiwanese workers turn up for work, or worse they do turn up and sabotage the fab.

You’re going to offer them a lot of money, citizenship, and exfiltration of their family to turn up at work, and threaten them with lifetime in supermax if they sabotage anything.

What US judge isn’t going to allow you to do what the hell you want under national security provisions if it comes to that?

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

#97

Post by ido »

petesergeant wrote: post #93
joe_mamba wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in your opinion, the solution is that individual national serenity should be abolished and the EU should have the liberty, nay, the authority to fleece its highest payers into the system, like France and Germany, and then redistribute their money to whoever and whatever it sees fit, for the "greater good" of the union, with no accountability or obligation to provide them equal benefits in return? How is this not c…

> How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps? Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?

Right. That's exactly what I'm claiming, that the EU has to become more like a confederation, more closely integrated than it is now but less integrated than modern federations like the USA or Germany. Closer to the early USA (where the states had more power compared to today and the federal government less).

It has zero to do with communism.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

#98

Post by bojan »

ido wrote: post #85
joe_mamba wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>High-end chips should be more of a EU concerted effort rather than every country for itself. And how are we gonna do that exactly? EU runs on national interests of those footing the bill, mainly France and Germany as the largest net contributors. When you're relying on national subsidies to build and run a factory and adjacent infrastructure in a country, you're tied to national interests and demands of those countr…

The solution is to make the EU more like an actual unified economic and monitary union- with a central fiscal authority, unified public debt, all member states joining the Eurozone, unified tax system, etc.

Be aware that you are discussing with a 48-days old account that is almost exclusively posting doubious takes like this.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by selestify »

joe_mamba wrote: post #94
petesergeant wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps? Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?

Firstly, NO, the US is a country, the EU is not. Secondly, even if the US as a country is tighter integrated and more financially successful than the EU as a union, the US is not a successful model example of a well functioning society that people in the EU would aspire to emulate, on the contrary, they'd rather preserve the status quo than turning into something resembling what the US has become.

Ok, well I guess if Europe is fine with a continued slide in global economic relevance, they can keep their status quo.

But something tells me that's not what Europeans generally want...

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

#100

Post by DeathArrow »

petesergeant wrote: post #93
joe_mamba wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in your opinion, the solution is that individual national serenity should be abolished and the EU should have the liberty, nay, the authority to fleece its highest payers into the system, like France and Germany, and then redistribute their money to whoever and whatever it sees fit, for the "greater good" of the union, with no accountability or obligation to provide them equal benefits in return? How is this not c…

> How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps? Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?

>Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?

EU is not a country. It's a political and economic union. And I think it can't become a country since peoples of member states desire to keep a degree of national sovereignty.

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