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Noam Chomsky's wife responds to Epstein controversy

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Re: Noam Chomsky's wife responds to Epstein controversy

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Post by db48x »

cthalupa wrote: post #9

It's very easy to believe that Epstein cultivated a massive quantity of relationships with any sort of rich, famous, influential, or powerful person he could. It's very easy to believe that many of them, for much of his existence, had no idea what was really going on. It's very easy to believe that plenty of "normal" (for relative values of normal here) people had no idea how to act when this all came to light and ju…

> But we also know a whole fucking lot of them did know exactly what was going on and partook in some manner.

Actually, you don’t know that. You’re merely assuming it.

Re: Noam Chomsky's wife responds to Epstein controversy

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Post by krautburglar »

From the emails I've read, Chomsky prematurely handed a big chunk of his net worth over to his children. With the new wife and the move, Noam was burning through cash at considerable speed. His kids started tightening the purse. Jeffrey Epstein came in as a financial fairy godmother to wrangle the purse strings back from Noam's kids. Given that Epstein and Maxwell were working hard for Israel, and Chomsky is a famous critic of Israeli policy, having Noam owe him one must have been a bit of a coup. Not that it would silence him, but it would at least get Chomsky to moderate his tone.

If you deal with the same people over time -- even highly intelligent ones -- you will notice the stark decline in intelligence in the later years. I didn't even like Chomsky when he had his marbles, but it's hard to get worked-up over "Old guy gets mixed-up with the wrong people and does dumb shit."

But even in 2016, even with his diminished faculties, Chomsky was not just a news-hound, but a news BEAST. This, "oh, we didn't know until 2019" is a massive load of shit.

The only HERO I've come across in these e-mails is Norman Finkelstein.

Re: Noam Chomsky's wife responds to Epstein controversy

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Post by hikkerl »

tzs wrote: post #84

What many people overlook is that, in Marvel terms, Epstein was not the kind of villain that Magneto or the Red Skull or Thanos are/were. Epstein was the kind of villain that Wilson Fisk or Norman Osborn or Alexander Pierce are/were. The former don't make any attempt to hide their evil. The latter go to great effort to have public personas that do good. Wilson Fisk for example was known to the public and most authori…

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Re: Noam Chomsky's wife responds to Epstein controversy

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Post by pseudohadamard »

dogma1138 wrote: post #70
cthalupa wrote: post #9

It's very easy to believe that Epstein cultivated a massive quantity of relationships with any sort of rich, famous, influential, or powerful person he could. It's very easy to believe that many of them, for much of his existence, had no idea what was really going on. It's very easy to believe that plenty of "normal" (for relative values of normal here) people had no idea how to act when this all came to light and ju…

We went to prison in the mid 2000’s for soliciting under aged girls for prostitution so any relationship since then cannot really claim ignorance.

And how many people here had ever heard of his conviction for soliciting before 2019?

Re: Noam Chomsky's wife responds to Epstein controversy

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Post by ilioscio »

hikkerl wrote: post #94
tzs wrote: post #84

What many people overlook is that, in Marvel terms, Epstein was not the kind of villain that Magneto or the Red Skull or Thanos are/were. Epstein was the kind of villain that Wilson Fisk or Norman Osborn or Alexander Pierce are/were. The former don't make any attempt to hide their evil. The latter go to great effort to have public personas that do good. Wilson Fisk for example was known to the public and most authori…

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You may not like their analogy but you don't need to be rude.

Re: Noam Chomsky's wife responds to Epstein controversy

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Post by mrkstu »

foldr wrote: post #67
dauertewigkeit wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chomsky spent the latter half of his career decrying the capitalists and telling us that we should be suspcious of them. It certainly shows that he didn't walk the walk.

I don't think Chomsky's relationship with Epstein is in any way defensible, but I've seen similar comments to yours all over the interwebs and I'm confused by them. Chomsky never decried capitalists or told us to be suspicious of them on a personal level. Or at least, not in any of his political work that I've ever read. He was anti-capitalist, but he didn't have a simplistic view of the world where individual capita…

That would have made his grift awkward.
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