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“Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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Wonder how many people don’t even shut down their work computer. I shut down work computer every day and every day in the morning I start it up. Sometimes if I really have something I didn’t finish and want to start on early in the morning then I leave it running with all apps open.

But why should you ? I just do this if a new MacOs Version is installed.

Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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Fine for some people. For others like me, I just don’t see what others see - I don’t see the clutter or the mess, and I just get on with the job. Takes all types to make the world run, but it would be nice if these kind of articles acknowledged they might be pushing ideas onto people who really don’t need them (and for whom, what they’re proposing might actually be way worse as it zaps a load of time and energy doing the pointless clearing up).

Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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I've worked in the software industry for just over twenty years now. In my experience basically without question the most productive people I have known have had the messiest most chaotic setups online and offline. Hundreds of windows open, more icons on their desktop than it can display.

I worked with an older gentleman for the last decade until recent layoffs who had worked on Oregon Trail for MECC. Single most productive person I've known in my life. I aspire for half the career he's had. His desk was absolute chaos. He had multiple computers on his desk across an unmatched mix of monitors, all as described above, controlled with Synergy.

The least productive people I've known have clean aesthetic desks, no icons on their desktop, and inbox zero.

Don't get me wrong, there are absolutely people that are a mess that aren't productive at all. I have worked with them too. Frankly, in their case, cleanup like this suggests probably would actually help. I've just never seen the opposite.

I just know that the most productive people I've known have been insanely good at managing chaos, and lean into it.

Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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post #93

I've worked in the software industry for just over twenty years now. In my experience basically without question the most productive people I have known have had the messiest most chaotic setups online and offline. Hundreds of windows open, more icons on their desktop than it can display. I worked with an older gentleman for the last decade until recent layoffs who had worked on Oregon Trail for MECC. Single most pro…

>In my experience basically without question the most productive people I have known have had the messiest most chaotic setups online and offline. Hundreds of windows open, more icons on their desktop than it can display.

Man, I wish this would also work in reverse, like being messy would automatically make me a good programmer.

Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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post #93

I've worked in the software industry for just over twenty years now. In my experience basically without question the most productive people I have known have had the messiest most chaotic setups online and offline. Hundreds of windows open, more icons on their desktop than it can display. I worked with an older gentleman for the last decade until recent layoffs who had worked on Oregon Trail for MECC. Single most pro…

Hear hear!

I maintain it’s because productive people know how to focus on what matters, to cut through the noise, and it’s not just by carefully thinking things through (though that’s an important skill too). It’s partly because they “just don’t see” the noise - if you like, they’re not distracted by it, they can tune it out - or rather, they don’t need to spend any energy tuning it out because they don’t ‘see’ or hear it in the first place!

I’ve frequently been: 1. Complimented on my productivity 2. Told I need a less messy workspace/environment.

One of these is true, the other is a road to depression - wasting time and energy tidying up and then feeling like I got no actual work done because, well, I didn’t!

There’s obviously a limit - continual small bits of sorting and organising ensure I can still sit at my desk and find stuff on my computer, but it doesn’t need to be the extreme clear-desk policy that proponents of Clean Work seem to be pushing. There’s a huge zone in between the two extremes.

Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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post #93

I've worked in the software industry for just over twenty years now. In my experience basically without question the most productive people I have known have had the messiest most chaotic setups online and offline. Hundreds of windows open, more icons on their desktop than it can display. I worked with an older gentleman for the last decade until recent layoffs who had worked on Oregon Trail for MECC. Single most pro…

Agreed to an extent. I think there are different axes at play here though.

Their desk and computer setup is chaotic, but their "task system" is probably very minimalist. Either it's nonexistent - everything's in their head. Or it's a scribble pad with the next few things they need to do which they cross off and then write new things. Or it's a .txt. At most it's a .md but even that's already stretching it.

What it's not is an immaculately structured maximalist Notion workspace - which is what the "clean desk" people you're talking about often prefer.

Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My recently achieved overriding goal took 32 years to accomplish! i worked on it as a side project all that time and it took me places i never expected. Very happy. I recommend being less ambitious! Or be smarter than me! Now my major goal is to complete the first tools in that area. it’s still challenging but I think the first version will have only taken 12 months. There is just a lot of newly settled stuff that I…

Does that mean you sat down every work day for 32 years and wrote the same thing on the top of your notepad? I appreciate the consistency but it looks like you could've gotten it inscribed on a plaque at that point :)

I know this is bad form (a convoluted way of replying "this") but I'd love to hear the answer to this one!

Re: “Nothing” is the secret to structuring your work

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post #51

My digital workspace is a complete mess. Tabs keep piling up, whether in Chrome, Notepad, or other apps. I don't even know why I still have so much old stuff open, I'm thinking I might need it one day, but that day never comes... But in contrast, my physical workspace is completely empty, I might be a bit schizophrenic.

What you could do is just export all open tabs into a list, store that somewhere, and close all. You're not closing them because of anxiety that you'll need them, or because you're feeling bad that you haven't dealt with them, or likely a bit of both. This way, if you really need to, you can get back to them. You won't, but you can.
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