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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by giancarlostoro »

jodrellblank wrote: post #67
onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

> "Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code."" No, one researcher at Microsoft made a personal LinkedIn post that his team were using that as their 'North Star' for porting and transpiling existing C and C++ code, not writing new code, and when the internet hallucinated that he meant Windows and this meant new code, and started copypasting this as "Microsoft'…

Porting legacy code is definitely one of its strengths. It can even... do wilder things if you're creative enough.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by wolvoleo »

onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

Wow such bad practice, using lines of code as a performance metric has been shown to be really bad practice decades ago. For a software company to do this now...

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by scrlk »

onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

Cf. -2000 Lines Of Code:

https://www.folklore.org/Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.html

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by wolvoleo »

oleganza wrote: post #17
torben-friis wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absurd. The Linux kernel is 30 million, Postgres is 2, windows is assumed to be about 50.

Maybe it means "LOCs changed"?

Copilot add a space to every line of code in this repository and commit please.

One of the many reasons why it's such a bad practice (overly verbose solutions id another one of course)

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by anonymous908213 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #69
anonymous908213 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is a bald-faced lie written in response to a PR disaster. The original claims were not ambiguous: > My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. Our North Star is “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code”. Obviously, "every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" is not contained within a single rese…

The original claims were not ambigious, it's "My" goal not "Microsoft's goal". The fact that it's a "PR disaster" for a researcher to have an ambitious project at one of the biggest tech companies on the planet, or to talk up their team on LinkedIn, is unbelievably ridiculous.

One supposes, when a highly senior employee publicly talks about project goals in recruitment material, that they are not fancifully daydreaming about something that can never happen but are in fact actually talking about the work they're doing that justifies their ~$1,000,000/yr compensation in the eyes of their employer.

Talking about rewriting Windows at a rate of 1 million lines of code per engineer per month with LLMs is absolutely going to garner negative publicity, no matter how much you spin it with words like "ambitious" (do you work in PR? it sounds like it's your calling).

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by jodrellblank »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #95
jodrellblank wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original claims were not ambigious, it's "My" goal not "Microsoft's goal". The fact that it's a "PR disaster" for a researcher to have an ambitious project at one of the biggest tech companies on the planet, or to talk up their team on LinkedIn, is unbelievably ridiculous.

One supposes, when a highly senior employee publicly talks about project goals in recruitment material, that they are not fancifully daydreaming about something that can never happen but are in fact actually talking about the work they're doing that justifies their ~$1,000,000/yr compensation in the eyes of their employer. Talking about rewriting Windows at a rate of 1 million lines of code per engineer per month wit…

You suppose that there are no highly-paid researchers on the planet working on AGI? Because there are, and that's less proven than "porting one codebase to another language" is. What about Quantum Computers, what about power-producing nuclear fusion? Both less proven than porting code. What about all other blue-sky research labs?

Why would you continue supposing such a thing when both the employee, and the employer, have said that your suppositions are wrong?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

walt_grata wrote: post #68
reactordev wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft never got that memo. They still measure LoC because it’s all MBAs.

Fuck is there a way to have that degree and not be clueless and toxic to your colleagues and users.

They seem better at working in finance and managing money.

Most models of productivity look like factories with inputs, outputs, and processes. This is just not how engineering or craftsmanship happen.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by wolvoleo »

pjmlp wrote: post #41

That isn't going well for Satya.

Indeed it's not: https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/01/09/is-microsoft-losing... And: https://www.perspectives.plus/p/microsoft-365-copilot-commer...

Tldr: Copilot has 1% marketshare among web chatbots and 1.85% of paid M365 users bought a subscription to it.

As much as I think AI is overrated already, Copilot is pretty much the worst performing one out there from the big tech companies. Despite all the Copilot buttons in office, windows, on keyboards and even on the physical front of computers now.

We have to use it at work but it just feels like if they spent half the effort they spend on marketing on actually trying to make it do its job people might actually want to use it.

Half the time it's not even doing anything. "Please try again later" or the standard error message Microsoft uses for every possible error now: "Something went wrong". Another pet peeve of mine, those useless error messages.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by rkozik1989 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #67
onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

> "Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code."" No, one researcher at Microsoft made a personal LinkedIn post that his team were using that as their 'North Star' for porting and transpiling existing C and C++ code, not writing new code, and when the internet hallucinated that he meant Windows and this meant new code, and started copypasting this as "Microsoft'…

That's still writing new code. Also, its kind of an extremely bad idea to do that because how are you going to test it? If you have to rewrite anything (hint: you probably don't) its best to do it incrementally over time because of the QA and stakeholder alignment overhead. You cannot push things into production unless it works as its users are expecting and it does exactly what stakeholders expect as well.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by mwigdahl »

bluGill wrote: post #83
walt_grata wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck is there a way to have that degree and not be clueless and toxic to your colleagues and users.

It all comes from "if you can't measure it you can't improve it". The job of management is to improve things, and that means they need to measure it and in turn look for measures. When working on an assembly line there are lots of things to measure and improve, and improving many of those things have shown great value. They want to expand that value into engineering and so are looking for something they can measure.…

Yes, the problem of accurately measuring software "productivity" has stymied the entire industry for decades, but people keep trying. It's conceivable that you might be able to get some sort of more-usable metric out of some systematized AI analysis of code changes, which would be pretty ironic.
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