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Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Post by blenderob »

gyrovague-com wrote: post #57
snailmailman wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, theres an account in that thread claiming to be from Gyrovague, but its not the same one thats in this thread , which has been confirmed to be legit as it is mentioned by name in this latest Gyrovague article. I wonder, is the newer gyrovague-com account because they lost the login for the old one? or was the old one a different person? Hopefully they can clarify, because if there's an account pretendi…

OP gyrovague-com here. Yes, I can confirm that I was also "gyrovague" on HN, but embarrassingly I've lost/typoed the password.

You can just email hn@ycombinator.com to get help. They can reset your password if there's someway for them to verify that you were the owner of the account.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Post by wolvoleo »

gettingoverit wrote: post #73

Whatever is going on here, is so magnificently complicated: sockpuppeting, doxxing, ddosing, psyops, pirating, FBI, cyberpunk capitalists, Russian hackers and Finnish activists. Somehow it does feel like in the middle of information war.

When I read the original article it doesn't really feel like the Finnish guy is even an activist. He seems to be just a curious nerd who wrote one article about this topic (who's behind this big site that everyone uses) and about a whole load of completely unrelated and non-activist topics like why did Japan stop building subway lines. Then his blog gained some traction because of the reporting around the FBI threats.

The article is also really appreciative of archive.today. It doesn't feel like a hit piece at all.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Post by blenderob »

chrisjj wrote: post #58
mr_mitm wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't one. As far as I know, no one really knows for sure how they bypass all these paywalls. (Most credible theory I heard: They actually just pay for the subscriptions.)

What's your problem with that theory?

Has people's ability to read messages and formulate sensible replies been going down of late? I see this kind of meaningless replies more and more often these days.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Post by Hamuko »

parable wrote: post #54
rsaarelm wrote: post #51

Archive.today does not seem to have worked for people connecting from Finland since mid-January, it just gives an endless captcha loop. Is this related to whatever this drama is?

It seems that the website has been blocked in Finland since at least August of 2023, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37011955 .

I definitely used it from Finland last year. It was blocked some time in th past since the owner was mad at Finnish authorities, but at some point that was revoked.

Even the post you linked acknowledges this:

>he blocked the entire site in Finland, although later he lifted the block

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Post by m132 »

DoctorOW wrote: post #71
m132 wrote: post #55

It's a puzzling situation: - The DDoS was certainly unethical and unneeded - Although the blog post only shows an extremely one-sided version of the story by skipping straight to the threats, there are reasons to think that diplomacy has also failed terribly - The website owner has all eyes of the "thought police" on them, and given the current political situation in Russia, it's more than likely they reside somewher…

> Do we want archive.today taken down over this? I don't think that's on the table. I would say use this as your incentive to support archive.org, who has proven much more accountable. Archive.Today is weaponizing their traffic, and reducing traffic is the best way to deal with it. Vote with your feet.

I don't think these two are exactly equivalent.

Internet Archive is a registered non-profit organization. It is more trustworthy and accountable, but it cannot realistically stand against government-imposed censorship. We've seen this unfold before with Twitter and Meta, partly with Telegram.

Archive.today may be similar on the surface, but if you take a closer look, it's actually an underground "evil twin" that has all the right tools to publish information the governments and the largest of companies want silenced.

Ideally, there would be no such information in the first place. However, the reality is that this classification has only been broadened to cover more content since the invention of the Internet, regardless of which political parties are in power. The fact that the owner of Archive.today is chased by the FBI even though the website already blocks archival of the kinds of content all of us would unanimously find disturbing speaks for itself.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Post by direwolf20 »

DoctorOW wrote: post #71
m132 wrote: post #55

It's a puzzling situation: - The DDoS was certainly unethical and unneeded - Although the blog post only shows an extremely one-sided version of the story by skipping straight to the threats, there are reasons to think that diplomacy has also failed terribly - The website owner has all eyes of the "thought police" on them, and given the current political situation in Russia, it's more than likely they reside somewher…

> Do we want archive.today taken down over this? I don't think that's on the table. I would say use this as your incentive to support archive.org, who has proven much more accountable. Archive.Today is weaponizing their traffic, and reducing traffic is the best way to deal with it. Vote with your feet.

archive.org supports DMCA. If you don't like some information in the Wayback Machine, you just have to send a form email and it will be removed from the Waybaeck machine.

archive.today/is/ph is adversarial. It archives things that don't want to be archived. That's why Trump's FBI is trying to unmask it.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Post by direwolf20 »

dannyw wrote: post #89
chrisjj wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we prefer archive.org links when they're available Interesting. May we know why?

Archive.org is run by a registered nonprofit instead of what’s likely a sole maintainer, who while I personally appreciate, does seem to go a little unhinged sometimes (like the dispute with Cloudflare DNS).

This also makes it susceptible to government pressure. It's easy to get a page taken down from archive.org and it won't archive anything paywalled.
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