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There was no pretext to execute her. It's when she started driving (even spun the wheels I think) towards the officer were shots fired. In your mind, does police getaway equate with protesting now?
As I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her.
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That one was controversial not because it was the deportation of an illegal alien rather there were custody issues (abduction accusations) as well as the complication of persecution in the home country —in other words there were multiple issues complicating the deportation. Was he a political prisoner, was he abducted to the US?
When the Miami Herald won 2 Pulitzers for its coverage of the incident, do you think it was because people were highly interested in the international custody issues? I’d argue that people were more piqued at why 100+ armed immigration agents needed to raid a family’s home https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-48 https://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/dramatic-photo-of...
Without fear of retribution, this is the USA remember.
While protesting or not.
Whether for or against the President or not.
Retribution is really bad but fear alone is pretty bad too, it can be a complete terror as we have seen in some countries sometimes, where dictatorship rises it always leads to terrible shithole outcomes. Even when they don't employ storm troopers. But there's no other way to be more communist than having a dictator of any kind, no matter what they call it.
Thinking about pure terror, how do you think terrorists got their name?
Storm trooper tactics have always struck terror too, that's their job.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, the USA is supposed to be more free than anywhere else.
As we have seen, not every President or administration official can perform in that league.
From the very point that 4 protestors were killed, Nixon was actually toast.
He just wasn't burnt to a crisp until after he was re-elected.
What were people thinking? Nobody would admit to voting for him a second time after he was proven dishonest though.
Of course equally stupid things have happened which are getting plain to see for more people all the time.
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As I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her.
And as I said, there was no pretext to execute her. (Or you need to explain what the word "pretext" means to you, and perhaps also "execute".)
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And as I said, there was no pretext to execute her. (Or you need to explain what the word "pretext" means to you, and perhaps also "execute".)
The pretext is deliberately standing in a position such that if the car moves he can claim to be acting in "self defense". This was directly contrary to ICE's own procedures about how to approach vehicles. This particular agent had even previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles, so it's a reasonable assumption that this positioning was fully deliberate - the agent set the situation up so that he'd…
Would you say the woman was in her right to attempt a getaway?
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What fourth amendment violations do you think are unprecedented? The Alien Enemies Act is one of our oldest laws and was passed by John Adams during peacetime to suppress perceived foreign influence from migrants. Deportations to third countries are pretty clearly the only solution to cases where immigrants have a final order of removal that has been suspended due to problems in their home country, or where their hom…
ICE directives that allow for entering a home without a judicial warrant.
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Right. The original poster who was saying that only ("only"!) 29% of January deportees have been convicted, that is correct. To this I added that that percentage doesn't account for ongoing charges (also true, right?). No disagreement in the percentage arguments. The rest of the immigrants are still illegally in the country, no? Wasn't deporting them on the campaign platform that got the mandate? What is "the system"…
W̶e̶l̶c̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶ ̶b̶u̶d̶d̶y̶.̶ We were founded on the fucking Boston Tea Party. Yeah, we trade off conveniences in policing for freedom of the people. I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶w̶e̶l̶c̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶v̶e̶. There are plenty of non-freedom loving countries out there. I̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶r̶n̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶n̶…
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The pretext is deliberately standing in a position such that if the car moves he can claim to be acting in "self defense". This was directly contrary to ICE's own procedures about how to approach vehicles. This particular agent had even previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles, so it's a reasonable assumption that this positioning was fully deliberate - the agent set the situation up so that he'd…
If you look at the video, then the woman turns the front of the car towards the agent, who comes from the other side. Do you mean that he knew the movement that was going to happen and risked his life to do that. Would you say the woman was in her right to attempt a getaway?
Sitting in front of a screen and Monday-morning-quarterbacking, it's easy to say that driving off was wrong. But nobody really knows what they themselves would do in a fight or flight situation when being assaulted by a group of masked men, especially when one of the group is aggressive enough that they are indeed going to end up killing you.
The point is these "public servants" should not be escalating to create such high-stakes situations in the first place, especially with regards to citizens who are protesting. There is zero excuse for it, and under any halfway-sane administration such an event would be, at the very least, a moment of investigation and reflection.
The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons. htt…
This has effectively been a death spiral for the past several decades - blame the government for incompetence while preventing it from doing anything. For example a major reason that so much power accrued to executive agencies in the first place is the trend of Congressional gridlock kicked off by Newt Gingrich.
As a libertarian I have plenty of criticism of the Democratic party as well, but they're not the ones currently wholesale destroying our Constitution.
The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons. htt…
The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons. htt…
It's mostly the same party, politicians, and cheerleaders who have been dismantling those safety nets, while supporting offshoring and massive handouts to the rich (via the asset bubble). The economic issues driving the destructionist anger are themselves the results of primarily Republican policies becoming un-ignoreable. But rather than any sort of self reflection they're just turning the blame to new scapegoats. T…
The contradiction of private vs public interests surfaces when growth/ROI demands become harder to achieve. Marx predicted it as diminishing profit rates [0]. The decades of lowering taxes for rich individuals and corporations led to the present budget pressure on institutions, civic decay and agitated uninformed voters. This happens in all capitalistic democracies and we hear the same songs everywhere, about more austerity with a xenophobic background.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit...