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AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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What were you doing before programming, at age 35? Different career?

Yes completely different career. Sold financial products.

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.

Its hard (or at least in my experience) to find people to change career - more so in their mid-thirties. I'm the opposite -- software developer career, now in mid 30s, and the AI crap gets me thinking about backup plans career-wise.

Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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Same situation (50 last week, 2 kids) though have been unemployed for a year. Part of me thinks that, rather than taking jobs, AI is actually the only reason a lot of jobs still exist. The rest of tech is dead. Having worked in consulting a while ago, you can kind of feel it when you're approaching the point where you've implemented all the high value stuff for a client and, even though there's stuff you could do, th…

Software will ALWAYS be an attractive VC target. The economics are just too good. The profit margins are just inherently fat as fuck compared to literally anything else. Your main expense is headcount and the incremental cost of your widget is ~$0? It's literally a dream. It's also why so much of AI is targeting software, specifically SAAS. A SaaS company with ~0 headcount driven by AI is basically 100% profit margin…

when software gets cheap to build the economics will change

Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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Ironically, many cars don't have radiator caps, only reservoirs. Modern cars, for the most part, do not leak coolant unless there's a problem. They operate a high pressure. Most people, for their own safety, should not pop the hood of a car.

What the hell? There are plenty of reasons to pop your hood that literally anyone competent to drive should be able to do perfectly safely. Swapping your own battery. Pulling a fuse. Checking your oil, topping up your oil. Adding windshield wiper fluid. Jump starting a car. Replacing parts that are immediately available. Not requiring one to pop the hood, but since I've almost finished the list of "things every drive…

I mean, I don't disagree that these are basic skills that most anyone should be able to perform. But most people are not capable to do them safely. Whether that's aptitude or motivation, doesn't matter.

Ask your average person what a 'fuse' even is, they won't be able to tell you, let alone how to locate the right one and check it.

Just think about how help the average person is when it comes to doing basic tasks on a computer, like not install the Ask(TM) Toolbar. That applies to many areas of life.

Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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I have read this same comment so many times in various forms. I know many of them are shill accounts/bots, but many are real. I think there are a few things at play that make people feel this way. Even if you're in a CRUD shop with low standards for reliability/scale/performance/efficiency, a person who isn't an experienced engineer could not make the LLM do your job. LLMs have a perfect combination of traits that ca…

So set up e2e tests and make sure it does things you said you wanted. Just like how you use a library or database. Trust, but verify. Only if it breaks do you have to peak under the covers. Sadly people do not care about redundant and verbose code. If that was a concern, we wouldn't have 100+mb of apps, nor 5mb web app bundles. Multibillion b2b apps shipping a 10mb json file just for searching emojis and no one blink…

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Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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the wonderful modern world of "everyone must build their personal brand"

The worst thing is that it works. (As a musician) i never invested in a personal brand or taking part in the social media rat race and figured I concentrate on the art / craft over meaningless performance online. Well guess who is getting 0 gigs now because “too few followers/visibility” (or maybe my music just sucks who knows …)

I always thought I would kinda be immune to this issue, so I avoided social media for my entire adult life.

I think I am still in the emotional phase about it, as its really impacting me lately, but once my thoughts really settle i wanna write some sorta article about modern social media as an induced demand.

I still very much would prefer to not engage at all with any of the major platforms in the standard way. Ideally I'd just post an article I wrote, or some goofy project i made, and it wouldn't be subject to 0 views because I don't interact with social media correctly.

Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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I have read this same comment so many times in various forms. I know many of them are shill accounts/bots, but many are real. I think there are a few things at play that make people feel this way. Even if you're in a CRUD shop with low standards for reliability/scale/performance/efficiency, a person who isn't an experienced engineer could not make the LLM do your job. LLMs have a perfect combination of traits that ca…

There are exceptions to what I'm about to say, but it is largely the rule. The thing a lot of people who haven't lived it don't seem to recognize is that enterprise software is usually buggy and brittle, and that's both expected and accepted because most IT organizations have never paid for top technical talent. If you're creating apps for back office use, or even supply chain and sometimes customer facing stuff, fre…

Internal tools do suck as far as usability, but you can bet your ass they work if they're doing things that matter to the business, which is most of them. Almost every enterprise system hooks into the finance/accounting pipeline to varying degrees. If these systems do not work at your company I'd like to know which company you work at and whether they're publicly traded.

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> I swear when this contract is over I'm opening a mobile food cart. Please keep us posted. I'm thinking of becoming a small time farmer/zoo keeper.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but I will keep everyone posted haha

Absolutely not, I've been earning my living as a coder for now 25y and eventually, enough is enough.

Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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Software will ALWAYS be an attractive VC target. The economics are just too good. The profit margins are just inherently fat as fuck compared to literally anything else. Your main expense is headcount and the incremental cost of your widget is ~$0? It's literally a dream. It's also why so much of AI is targeting software, specifically SAAS. A SaaS company with ~0 headcount driven by AI is basically 100% profit margin…

It’s funny that perfect capitalism (no payroll expenses) means nobody has money to actually buy any of the goods produced by AI. Re cancer: I wonder how significant is the cost of reading the results vs. the logistics of actually running the test

Bots using bots to write software for bots. And it only cost 5 trillion dollars!

The best part? Bots don't get cancer, so that problem is solved too!

Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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Software will ALWAYS be an attractive VC target. The economics are just too good. The profit margins are just inherently fat as fuck compared to literally anything else. Your main expense is headcount and the incremental cost of your widget is ~$0? It's literally a dream. It's also why so much of AI is targeting software, specifically SAAS. A SaaS company with ~0 headcount driven by AI is basically 100% profit margin…

It’s funny that perfect capitalism (no payroll expenses) means nobody has money to actually buy any of the goods produced by AI. Re cancer: I wonder how significant is the cost of reading the results vs. the logistics of actually running the test

> It’s funny that perfect capitalism (no payroll expenses) means nobody has money to actually buy any of the goods produced by AI.

When you remember that profit is the measure of unrealized benefit, and look at how profitable capitalists have become, its not clear if, approximately speaking, anyone actually has the "money" to buy any goods now.

In other words, I am not sure this matters. Big business is already effectively working for free, with no realistic way to ever actually derive the benefit that has been promised to it. In theory those promises could be called, but what are the people going to give back in return?

Re: AI’s impact on engineering jobs may be different than expected

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I have never cared for decades and now my car doesn't even have a radiator. Seems to have worked out well for me.

What kind of car do you drive that doesn't have one?

Literally any ev?
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