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Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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So much negativity about Firefox in these threads. Could they be doing better? Absolutely, but without them we’d have almost no browser choice today.

Even if you don’t care too much about FF itself, they also own the Gecko engine on top of which other browsers are built.

Personally I’ve been using Zen for the past year and it’s been a pretty good experience. I should add a disclaimer that I’m not a frontend dev, so can’t speak to dev tooling.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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It can, they just need to approach it not like a big corporation with a multi million dollar a year CEO but as a grassroots project. If something like KDE can build a whole desktop on a shoestring budget with some donations, Firefox can too. And I'd gladly donate to it. Problem is I can't because you can only donate to the foundation. And I don't want to fund their dogood distractions, just firefox. Besides, the sear…

With all due respect a web browser is much more complicated than a desktop environment. Firefox is like 30 million lines of code, much of which is active attack surface. A high performance JIT JavaScript engine alone might be more complex than KDE. Random people can fix UI bugs and contribute to simple desktop apps in a way that they likely cannot in general do with the deep internals of a browser.

KDE has already created a browser engine, a browser, and a JavaScript engine.

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

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post #50

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That’s one interpretation. Another is that people typically support foundations not simply because they “do good,” but because they advance a specific cause the donor personally values. For example, if I donated to a foundation focused on developing cancer treatments, and that same foundation later shifted its efforts to addressing melting ice caps, I would likely feel frustrated, since that was not the purpose for w…

> people typically support foundations While I agree with the general point that non-profit donors have a legitimate interest in the use of funds, in the particular case of the Mozilla Foundation, I believe the vast majority of that money is from placement fees Google paid to be the default search engine in Firefox. As the pay-for-placement market has evolved and Firefox's browser share has fallen, this income has al…

Mozilla Foundation's 2024 revenue was 60% investments, 28% program service revenue, 11% contributions and grants.[1]

Most of program service revenue was from Mozilla Corporation. They paid Mozilla Foundation a small part of their revenue for trademark licenses, legal services, and so. And most of Mozilla Corporation's revenue was from Google.

[1] https://stateof.mozilla.org/pdf/Mozilla%20Foundation_Form_99...

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

#98

> Mozilla is focused on deploying its roughly $1.4 billion worth of reserves to support “mission driven” organizations, according to a new report. > The nonprofit, also the parent of Firefox, is investing in artificial intelligence startups that are working on safety and governance issues in AI. Why?, they want to go bankrupt?, do they like burning money? I would understand investing in AI Tech... Brilliant if they u…

They want NGO grant money. They look at the latest and greatest buzzwords for government policy spending and tailor their efforts towards acquiring that money, 99% of which will go to salaries and bonuses, 1% of which will be spent on the mission du jour. Mozilla is a deeply corrupt and failed organization.

> Mozilla is a deeply corrupt and failed organization.

Can you elaborate?

Re: Mozilla is building an AI 'rebel alliance' to take on OpenAI, Anthropic

#99
post #27

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Yes please let them focus on making Firefox economically sustainable without Google. Then worry about all the fluffy dogood stuff

The problem is that there is no way to make Firefox economically sustainable without Google (or some other search provider, but google won that war comprehensively). Browsers are fully commoditized and subsidized. Funding the browser with a combination of outside revenue sources and search deals is the way everyone does it.

I think an important outside revenue source they haven't tapped is sovereign wealth funds from countries that want to ensure there's a way for its citizens to use domestic web sites without depending on an opaque binary blob.

Of course this funding would come with some pretty big strings attached. Including perhaps "no AI in the core system."

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