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In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by morkalork »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #84
cornhole wrote: post #74

i can’t wait until the gestapo, and the powers that be, revoke my citizenship and send me to a ice detention center so i can make license plates

One of the pleasant things, though, is that if that kind of thing is on the table you probably have some kind of moral imperative to start doing something about it. Previously I felt like a hyperbolic nerd, and now I have a whole lot of new friends all working on the same stuff. Wheee. Go team. I hate it.

>But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by deeg »

hubber wrote: post #85
solid_fuel wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between seeing an immigration raid where you know whoever gets picked up is going to have access to a lawyer, be subject to proper due process, and at worst be sent back to their home country. We knew - or at least believed - that if they detained someone who was a citizen, that person would be released. Now, when we see ICE grabbing someone, we know that person probably won't have access to…

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If you aren't afraid you must be white. ICE has been arresting citizens because they fit racial profiles: https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-immigration-us-citizen-...

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by subdude »

hubber wrote: post #85
solid_fuel wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between seeing an immigration raid where you know whoever gets picked up is going to have access to a lawyer, be subject to proper due process, and at worst be sent back to their home country. We knew - or at least believed - that if they detained someone who was a citizen, that person would be released. Now, when we see ICE grabbing someone, we know that person probably won't have access to…

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"There are tens of millions of people in the country illegally. They must go."

Why?

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by deeg »

throw0101c wrote: post #67
chasil wrote: post #3

Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

> Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. Why is crowd control even needed? ICE existed for many, many years before now, and them doing their job never caused crowds previously (under both R and D administrations), so what (rhetorically) changed?

Because ICE has gone way beyond arresting illegals. In Boston, for example, they stopped a naturalization ceremony literally minutes before people were to become citizens. Do you support that?

https://www.wcvb.com/article/21-citizenship-oaths-canceled-f...

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Post by deeg »

bediger4000 wrote: post #66
arxari wrote: post #26

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Hard disagree about ICE as Gestapo. ICE is Trump's secret police, loyal to him, accountable to him. I suppose Gestapo did have more menacing uniforms.

The gestapo didn't wear masks, so there's that difference.

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Post by throw0101c »

hubber wrote: post #85
solid_fuel wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between seeing an immigration raid where you know whoever gets picked up is going to have access to a lawyer, be subject to proper due process, and at worst be sent back to their home country. We knew - or at least believed - that if they detained someone who was a citizen, that person would be released. Now, when we see ICE grabbing someone, we know that person probably won't have access to…

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> And I'll celebrate with my lawyer if it does.

LOL. Why do you assume you'll get a hearing?

As Timothy Snyder (an historian of Central and Eastern Europe, the Soviet Union, and the Holocaust) observed last year:

> If you accept that non-citizens have no right to due process, you are accepting that citizens have no right to due process. All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary.

* https://xcancel.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/190429656556234343...

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by lazyeye »

023984398 wrote: post #54
lazyeye wrote: post #44

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I get it - you love Republicans and hate Democrats. I hate them all. Can you just connect a few more neurons in your brain and rise above it for a little bit and consider the costs? We're losing our rights and seeing a test of them live on video. Assuming we have elections again this can be used by both. Wake up dude.

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