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Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by afishhh »

Uehreka wrote: post #85
afishhh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to fucking crash out if another person says they're making a browser and their inline layout does this shit[1] I swear to god. I held off on commenting on the last AI browser post because the author said "it's not even good" so they recognized it's trash (it was). Please educate yourself on how inline layout is supposed to work[2] first. (no, you cannot lay out text span-by-span[3] either...) [1] https://gi…

You found it! Yeah the 4th version of the browser is in Haskell and is only a couple hours in, so it’s nowhere near done. The Go version achieved Acid3 compliance in 7 hours, but I expect this one to take a lot longer since Haskell is a bit more difficult to work with and there’s probably less Haskell in the training dataset.

> The Go version

Where can I find the Go version?

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by jaffee »

1dom wrote: post #84
pixl97 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This said I remember when the internet was a fad that wasn't going to stick around according to some people, so there is that.

I agree! AI, crypto and dotcom were all hugely valuable and world changing. It's a shame they were all afflicted with hypes and bubbles along the way.

Internet -> Obvious value, more efficient communication, knowledge sharing, transactions etc.

AI -> Value is very obvious to me as a developer.

Blockchain -> ? What is the actual value? Something about decentralized finance and not having to trust anyone? And the tradeoff is every transaction costs $10 or more. It was always a dubious proposition with its "value" driven by speculative investment which fueled the hype machine.

Yeah there are parallels in that in all cases people got really excited about something tech and poured a bunch of money in, but the outcomes and actual amount of value derived can be wildly different.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by ewpratten »

embedding-shape wrote: post #46
swiftcoder wrote: post #37

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How heavy is your CI workload? Even the base Mac Mini is equipped with a pretty beefy CPU, but obviously it has limited RAM/storage (although the latter can be solved with a cheap external SSD enclosure).

It's basically for private/personal usage, almost no concurrent jobs ever, but I don't have the entire day to wait for builds. Doing maybe 10-12 builds per day on average. Storage won't be an issue, it'll be networked from outside of the box, but I'm curious if there is massive difference in performance between M4 Pro and M3 Ultra. FWIW, I'm mostly doing Rust builds at the moment.

I’m doing that (similar scale and same language) with a base model M4 mini. Works great. Anything more is overkill imo.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by 1dom »

xnorswap wrote: post #89
1dom wrote: post #81

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> The difference is, for the claims of blockchain, it was trivially easy to look at and say, "This could have been a database". Yes, and it's trivial now to look at so many LLM startups and say "that could be a complex if/else statement" or "that could be an Alexa skill" or "I can do that already with my mobile phone". Everything you've just described about the impact of the friction of you doing your work, and how A…

Crypto only looked like it solved friction in places with messed up banking. To people in the EU/UK who had free faster payments before Bitcoin was a thing, it never looked like an improvement at all. The solution expensive and slow banking was always political, not technical. Crypto was purely speculative, because it was never solving real problems. I'm not speculating about problems being solved, I'm out there solv…

> Crypto only looked like it solved friction in places with messed up banking.

AI only solved friction in places work messed up, like giving developers enough time to program stuff.

> To people in the EU/UK who had free faster payments before Bitcoin was a thing, it never looked like an improvement at all.

To tech companies who were already content with their development team's velocity, AI never looked like an improvement at all.

> The solution expensive and slow banking was always political, not technical.

The solution to developers not coding fast enough was always political, not technical.

> Crypto was purely speculative, because it was never solving real problems.

AI was purely speculative, because it was never solving any problems. (Sorry, I have to point out here you said higher up a bunch of problems that Crypto was solving, and now you're saying how it was also speculative, which is the parallel between crypto that you were trying to argue against).

> I'm not speculating about problems being solved, I'm out there solving real problems. No-one in "blockchain" ever got to say the same. It was always a promise of things being better. And for many people, things already were better than what was being promised.

Again, either you're right above when you said crypto solved problems where banking was bad, or you're right here where you're saying blockchain never solved anything.

You're going round in circles trying to find a way that AI isn't like crypto whilst giving more examples of how AI is like crypto.

Remittance, micropayments, unbanked people, unstable economies: all of these did, can and do have problems solved by blockchain.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by jaffee »

Yegge was an early employee at Amazon and has been writing influential blog posts and developing massive software projects since before this guy was born. But sure, in his retirement he's pivoted to pump and dump schemes.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by sarchertech »

Uehreka wrote: post #80
sarchertech wrote: post #70

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Why don’t you do something useful with your superpowers?

In the past year I’ve used AI coding assistants on a life-saving medical device product (no, followup commenter, I did not ship unreviewed vibes in a medical device product), a tool for editing documentation used in healthcare (no, followup commenter, it does not use LLMs to generate documentation), a piece of custom cue calling software for theater and to reverse engineer a TCP protocol to help modernize a piece of…

Yeah none of those are nearly ambitious enough for someone who is spitting out browsers in less than a full workday.

This is at least a 100x speed up. You should be cranking out operating systems in a few days. Why haven’t you built an integrated OS, programming language, browser, and game engine yet?

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by basket_horse »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #88
mr-ron wrote: post #40

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I mean besides crypto and ai being big investments, i barely see any parallels. AI you can actually use to build useful things in the world , and tokens are used not as trading , but transactional currency to do that building.

> and tokens are used not as trading , but transactional currency to do that building. I think it's funny that you highlight this, because for many blockchains, their native token is the transactional currency also. Which opens up the possibility for a marketplace around it, as well as an incentive to grift to recoup one's investment. AFAIK there's no similar market for LLM tokens (the price may fluctuate, but the AI…

Sure, but that’s presumes the output is something people want to buy, which presumes it is useful. Sure it can pump if useless, but the longer term dump if useless is what separates it from coins.

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by 1dom »

jaffee wrote: post #92
1dom wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree! AI, crypto and dotcom were all hugely valuable and world changing. It's a shame they were all afflicted with hypes and bubbles along the way.

Internet -> Obvious value, more efficient communication, knowledge sharing, transactions etc. AI -> Value is very obvious to me as a developer. Blockchain -> ? What is the actual value? Something about decentralized finance and not having to trust anyone? And the tradeoff is every transaction costs $10 or more. It was always a dubious proposition with its "value" driven by speculative investment which fueled the hype…

You see that you're assessing AI from the depth of the AI bubble and coming to the same conclusion about AI as people who assess crypto from the depths of a crypto bubble came to, right?

The dotcom bubble was due to all the useless, speculative stuff people were doing with the internet, not the useful bits you referred to that are still around which we use today.

The AI bubble is coming from all the useless, speculative stuff people were doing with AI, not the useful bits you referred to that are still around which we use today.

... You see where I'm going with this, right?

Crypto use cases that are still around that get used today are are not hard to find for anyone sincerely wanting to accept that they exist. I've already listed a few in other posts. That's not my point though.

My point is there's a speculative bubble around AI, and that's got a lot of parallels to the speculative bubbles around crypto and dotcom. Everything you've said supports the idea that you're unaware that you're talking from inside a bubble.

> It was always a dubious proposition with its "value" driven by speculative investment which fueled the hype machine.

Explain to me - without speculation or hype - why we still need trillions more datacentres, power, water, money and everything else for AI, if we're already using it and it's already here and we're already getting the most out of it?

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by yunohn »

jaffee wrote: post #95

Yegge was an early employee at Amazon and has been writing influential blog posts and developing massive software projects since before this guy was born. But sure, in his retirement he's pivoted to pump and dump schemes.

Why is HN so susceptible to appeals to authority and constant mild-severe deification of other humans?

Re: Software Pump and Dump

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Post by bogdanoff_2 »

1dom wrote: post #84
pixl97 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This said I remember when the internet was a fad that wasn't going to stick around according to some people, so there is that.

I agree! AI, crypto and dotcom were all hugely valuable and world changing. It's a shame they were all afflicted with hypes and bubbles along the way.

Since you're very active with the commenting, what would you say is your definition of "bubble"?
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