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I personally don't have any trouble with that. Using Sonnet 3.7 in Claude Code, I just ask it to spelunk the git history for a certain segment of the code if I think it will be meaningful for its task.
Out of curiosity, why 3.7 Sonnet? I see lots of people saying to always use the latest and greatest 4.5 Opus. Do you find that it’s good enough that the increased token cost of larger/more recent models aren’t worth it? Or is there more to it?
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I think that's an optimistic interpretation of how good LLMs are? But I think the reality is: LLMs democratise access to coding. In a way this decreases the market for complete solutions, but massively increases the audience for building blocks.
>LLMs democratise access to coding Vibe coders don't code, they let code. So LLMs democratise access to coders.
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Maybe true for some apps, but I suspect we will still have a vibrant ecosystem of package managers and open source libraries and coding agents will know how to use them.
What would be the point of that? If LLMs ever actually become competent, surely they can just implement what they need.
Sure, leftpad and python-openai aren't hugely valuable in the age of LLMs, but redis and ffmpeg are still as useful as ever. Probably even more useful now that LLMs can actually know and use all their obscure features
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#94Small bespoke personalized on the spot apps are the future with LLMs. The future will absolutely not be "How things are today + LLMs" The paradigm now for software is "build a tool shed/garage/barn/warehouse full of as much capability for as many uses possible" but when LLMs can build you a custom(!) hammer or saw in a few minutes, why go to the shed?
Because I thought I needed a hammer for nails (employee payroll) but then I realized I also need it to screw (sales), soldering (inventory management) and cleanup (taxes).
Oh and don't forget that next month the density of iron can lower up to 50%.
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#95Small bespoke personalized on the spot apps are the future with LLMs. The future will absolutely not be "How things are today + LLMs" The paradigm now for software is "build a tool shed/garage/barn/warehouse full of as much capability for as many uses possible" but when LLMs can build you a custom(!) hammer or saw in a few minutes, why go to the shed?
1) Your specific analogy is kinda missing something important: I don't want my tools working differently every time I use them, also it's work to use LLMs. A hammer is kind of a too-simple example, but going with it anyway: when I need a hammer, I don't want my "LLM" generating a plastic one, then having to iterate for 30 minutes to get it right. It takes me far less than 30 minutes to go to my shed. A better example is would be a UI, even if it was perfect, do you want all the buttons and menus to be different every time you use the tool? Because you generate a new one each time instead of "going to the shed"?
2) Then there's the question, can an LLM actually build, or does it just regurgitate? A hammer is an extremely we'll understood tool, that's been refined over centuries, so I think an LLM could do a pretty good job with one. There are lots of examples, but that also means the designs the LLM is referencing are probably better than the LLM's output. And then for things not like that, more unique, can the LLM even do it at all or with a reasonable amount of effort?
I think there's a modern phenomenon where making things "easier" actually results in worse outcomes, a degraded typical state vs. the previous status quo, because it turns what was once a necessity into a question of personal discipline. And it turns out when you remove necessity, a lot of people have a real hard time doing the best thing on discipline alone. LLMs might just enable more of those degenerate outcomes: everyone's using "custom" LLM generated tools all the time, but they all actually suck and are worse than if we just put that effort into designing the tools manually.
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#97Something I've noticed is that AI code generation makes it easier/faster to generate code while shifting more work of the work of keeping code correct and maintainable to the code review stage. That can be highly problematic for open source projects that are typically already bottlenecked by maintainer review bandwidth. It can be mitigated by PR submitters doing a review and edit pass prior to submitting a PR. But a…
The maintainers can now do all the work themselves. With the time they save using AI, they can get much more work done. So much that having other engineers learn the codebase is probably not worth it anymore. Large scale software systems can be maintained by one or two folks now. Edit: I'm not going to get rate limited replying to everyone, so I'll just link another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46765…
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#98I am a huge proponent of using AI tools for software development. But until I see a vibe coded replacement for the Linux kernel, PostgreSQL, gcc, git or Chromium, I am just going to disagree with this premise. If I am on a system without Python installed, I don't see Claude saying, oh, you don't need to download it, I'll write the Python interpreter for you.
> I am a huge proponent of using AI tools for software development. But until I see a vibe coded replacement for the Linux kernel, PostgreSQL, gcc, git or Chromium, I am just going to disagree with this premise. Did you read it? It isn't saying that LLMs will replace major open source software components. It said that the "reward" for providing, maintaining and helping curate these OSS pieces; which is the ecosystem…
Oh... so nothing's gonna change for me then...
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#99"Vibe coding raises productivity by lowering the cost of using and building on existing code, but it also weakens the user engagement through which many maintainers earn returns." I think the title is clickbait. The conclusion is: "Vibe coding represents a fundamental shift in how software is produced and consumed. The productivity gains are real and large. But so is the threat to the open source ecosystem that under…
do you have experience in reviving an abandoned project? which way did you go? what would be a sensible approach?
LLM's did help with quickly researching dependencies unknown to me and investigating build errors, but ideally I want to set it up in a way, that the agent can work on its own, change -> try to build -> test it. Once that works half automated, I call it success.
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#100I have been trying to use Claude code to help improve my opensource Java NLP location library. However trying to get it to do anything other than optimise code or fix small issues it struggles. It struggles with high level abstract issues. For example I currently have an issue with ambiguity collisions e.g. Input: "California" Output: "California, Missouri" California is a state but also city in Missouri - https://gi…
> it struggles It does not struggle, you struggle. It is a tool you are using, and it is doing exactly what you're telling it to do. Tools take time to learn, and that's fine. Blaming the tools is counterproductive. If the code is well documented, at a high level and with inline comments, and if your instructions are clear, it'll figure it out. If it makes a mistake, it's up to you to figure out where the communicati…