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Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Buddhism has bad news for you

I once read “The Joy of Living” by Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche. It should come with a warning. It broke me for a year. I’m actually grateful for the existential crisis it caused me. But it was a brutal experience at first.

Can you share a bit more?

Should more read the book to get the same powerful benefit you received or stay away from the book?

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Very interesting, and I suspect somewhat related to the phenomenon in high-performance sports and music where the player or athlete feels they have become one with the instrument or equipment. It happens after a certain level of expertise, and when everything is tuned just right, and often with the flow state.

The perception goes beyond feeling fine sensations in the interface to the instrument/equipment, but literally feeling like it is a part of your body. I've gotten it in both alpine ski racing and sportscar racing. When it is ON, moving a ski or wheel to a particular spot feels the same as when I'd put my foot on a particular rock where running in rough terrain, and often even more part of me than when kicking a soccer ball with my real foot. Both the sensitivity of the feel (feedback) and the precision with which I could execute was just an entire other level, and it is still weird to think of how it was often better feedback & precision than my own foot in a less-skilled situation.

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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I wonder if this can be used to cure or alleviate phantom pain in amputees.

"The researchers say that the findings could lead to new understanding of or treatments for conditions where the brain's body maps have gone askew, such as schizophrenia or the sensation of 'phantom limbs' experienced by amputees."

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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This technique is likely to be utilized in some government interrogation methods now. An excellent example of research that maybe shouldn't have been pursued, although it's possible that there are a large number of potential recuperative applications as well that I'm not aware of.

I don't think we should stop learning about ourselves out of paranoia. This sort of research could end up just like many powerful tech before (ex. nukes->green energy)

I think the advent of social algorithms and the technologies of that ilk indicate that there are things that shouldn't be explored.

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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I don't think we should stop learning about ourselves out of paranoia. This sort of research could end up just like many powerful tech before (ex. nukes->green energy)

I think the advent of social algorithms and the technologies of that ilk indicate that there are things that shouldn't be explored.

With those examples though, how would we know ahead of time that they "shouldn't be explored?" They sure looked interesting and maybe even potentially beneficial a couple decades ago.

Now, of course, we know those algorithms warp regular users (and by extension societies). Or... maybe they don't? Some research has suggested that just putting this many people in direct communication with each other is the root cause of the problems we see. There could be other ways to fix those without shutting down the internet. How would we know without more exploration?

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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FTA: > With a third group of participants, they used a non-invasive technique called transcranial alternating current stimulation to speed up or slow down the frequency of a person's alpha waves. And sure enough, this seemed to correlate with how real a fake hand felt. I know this is largely orthogonal to the article, and I know what “non-invasive” means and why it’s used in this sentence, but it made me chuckle - “t…

i guess putting your head in a microwave would also be considered "non-invasive" according to this logic. makes sense!

pretty invasive to the microwave

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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The idea of "ownership of a body" made me think about a quote I heard a long time ago, while talking amongst musicians while waiting to get up and perform. It felt like some secret knowledge that I gained privilege to, while somewhat inebriated and it hasn't left me since. > I _have_ a body, I _am_ a soul. Maybe what they're identifying is the first half of that statement, how we interpret the former, through the pre…

Dualism is almost always unhelpful as a model. Your soul is a process your body runs, they are indistinguishable.

Dualism?! I believe the quote I referenced wasn't implying any sort of multiplicity...it's subordination of the lesser elements of a single entity and elevation of reverence for the ephemeral. Singularity, baby.

singularity, described by The Swans: https://youtu.be/Wn7xv6SNSUc?list=PLUcXHQ7VorrWZwLE5j2m89ltg...

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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I wonder what kind of physics hides in interactions between waves and neurons (I know it's a cursed topic).

Like the large scale, nearly speed-of-light continuous electrical field fluctuations that influence long-distance discrete neural firing and may be the basis for conscious experience? Curses!

It's cursed in the sense that every spiritual grifter loves to mention it.
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