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White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by anon7725 »

techterrier wrote: post #12
MattDaEskimo wrote: post #6

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Makes one wonder what the other, more horrific side of this looks like, and how law enforcement and even begin to separate truth from fiction

In this instance, we've already got law enforcement using fiction to obfuscate fact. Probably not long before we see sora style videos of a 'new angle' of a controversial event, showing that the protestor / victim did in face have a gun / deserve it

Since many people are primed for this video to confirm their worldview, it doesn't even need to be that good. It will spread like wildfire, and its debunking won't. Technically, there is no reason why this can't be done today.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by relaxing »

filoeleven wrote: post #81
codyb wrote: post #35

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Non-violent protest only! Encouraged by me based on successes at Selma, in India, and in response to the killing of George Floyd. It's a long, inexorable march, but violence only perpetuates more violence and reduces sympathy for the protest movement.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It's from the same poster who just gave all the info. It mirrors what is working in Minneapolis. It shows public outrage at what is happening. The absence of violence in the crowd makes it even clearer that ICE are the ones provoking incidents. It helps city and state officials make their case that their people need protection from ICE, not the other way around.

It’s both condescending and unhelpful, since the people doing the violence aren’t on here reading hn.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by anon7725 »

b450 wrote: post #56
loudmax wrote: post #23

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Arguably, that's the point. For post-truth politicians, the objective isn't to present a narrative as objectively factual, but to bring the entire notion of factual objectivity into question. It's not "This is the truth." Rather, it's "The truth is unknowable." If nobody knows what's true and false anyway, there's no reason to concern yourself with "facts" that disturb your preconceptions.

> White House Deputy Communications Director Kaelan Dorr defended the post after criticism of the image manipulation. > “Enforcement of the law will continue. The memes will continue. Thank you for your attention to this matter,” Dorr wrote. The banner image on Dorr's X account reads: "oMg, diD tHe wHiTE hOuSE reALLy PosT tHiS?" You're right, and I'd add that the agenda goes well beyond muddying the waters. This admi…

The corollary is that literally everything that the US government communicates should be assumed to be a lie. Even normal, boring announcements from the USDA and such are communicated in the voice of a terminally-online twitter troll.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by codyb »

relaxing wrote: post #92
filoeleven wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It's from the same poster who just gave all the info. It mirrors what is working in Minneapolis. It shows public outrage at what is happening. The absence of violence in the crowd makes it even clearer that ICE are the ones provoking incidents. It helps city and state officials make their case that their people need protection from ICE, not the other way around.

It’s both condescending and unhelpful, since the people doing the violence aren’t on here reading hn.

You found my message condescending? Lol. You must be really easily offended

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by Tagbert »

pix128 wrote: post #85
thomassmith65 wrote: post #67

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My suspicion is that, here on HN, the number has dwindled considerably, even as the number has risen among the most famous figures in tech. HN really should conduct a survey, like StackOverflow does. It would be fascinating.

I see that as wishful thinking. HN has always been very much right leaning. I very much doubt much has changed.

HN has been right leaning? That seems an odd take. Most comments I see on here lean more progressive. Or are you talking about the billionaire tech class who are in their own demographic?

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

wmeredith wrote: post #2

There's been a lot of talk on HN about generative AI and how it will be weaponized to scam people and politically for propoganda. That reality got here very quickly. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem posted a photo of Nekima Levy Armstrong, a Minnesota civil rights attorney, being arrested at a political protest. A half hour later, the official White House X account posted an altered version in which Armstro…

Not only did they make her cry, they also darkened her skin.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by tremon »

Tagbert wrote: post #95
pix128 wrote: post #85

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I see that as wishful thinking. HN has always been very much right leaning. I very much doubt much has changed.

HN has been right leaning? That seems an odd take. Most comments I see on here lean more progressive. Or are you talking about the billionaire tech class who are in their own demographic?

Progressive and right-leaning are not in contradiction with each other, in that corner you will find most libertarians.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by tremon »

filoeleven wrote: post #84
mothballed wrote: post #39

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It's nice that they're doing it. And they are certainly the bravest we have to offer; much braver than you or I. That said, the bravest we have are asking that they please not be murdered. And then peacefully kneeling down to be executed, even when they are armed. Obviously this only emboldens the murderers. The options moving forward look bleak.

The instant there is armed pushback, Trump will declare martial law. It's entirely plausible that had there not been so many people with cameras around, this would have been used as the excuse. The best thing to do is to be out there recording everything. You are right that they are emboldened, so you're putting yourself in danger by filming. When people continue to do that despite the danger, and despite the interna…

will declare martial law

I don't understand how that will be meaningfully different from what is happening already?

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by filoeleven »

tremon wrote: post #98
filoeleven wrote: post #84

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The instant there is armed pushback, Trump will declare martial law. It's entirely plausible that had there not been so many people with cameras around, this would have been used as the excuse. The best thing to do is to be out there recording everything. You are right that they are emboldened, so you're putting yourself in danger by filming. When people continue to do that despite the danger, and despite the interna…

will declare martial law I don't understand how that will be meaningfully different from what is happening already?

Suspension of 2026 midterm elections

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by hhh »

squigz wrote: post #57
hhh wrote: post #51

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Why? There’s plenty of people disavowing their actions and plenty supporting them. There will be plenty of blue checkmarks with full face shown selfdoxxing while they gleefully call for more to be killed.

There is lots of propaganda being pushed online with fake accounts. Checkmarks and pictures of a face do not make a real account.

my point is that there’s enough information that it’s a selfdoxx of it being an actual person that you can find from the information given there alone.

Plenty of people pay for the ‘i think my opinion matters more’ boost button, malicious propagandist or regular person alike

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