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Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Anyone can argue ICE vs EV all night long but there's only 1 metric I care about, in favor of EV: When I am going to take my son to school, he doesn't have to smell the gas and the fumes from the exhaust in the garage.

I did daily (old station wagon in the rear facing seat), as well as school buses. Kindof liked the smell in moderation as a kid.

Still in favor of EVs, just a curiosity that this is so negative for you.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

#92

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Looking at the specs page the base model includes "Dual 12.3" widescreen displays" Why? What the hell is wrong with modern cars?

Lots (most?) cars are going to LCDs for the instrument panel. The second screen is the infotainment.

My previous car had its infotainment system reboot several times while I was on the expressway. The idea of my instrument panel, or other more critical systems, crashing and rebooting while driving terrifies me.

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#93
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No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

The number of ICE cars I get stuck behind from time to time that just REEK is amazing. I’m in a decently well off area too. Some putting off soot clouds, white smoke, nothing visible but clearly not doing complete combustion. Sometimes I wonder if half the cylinders are even working. I’ve heard one car like that is the equivalent of a surprisingly large number of modern ICE cars is in good shape. I love EVs. I’ve had…

I'd say that putting off sooth clouds is a way to sequester carbon (which obviously failed to burn). Such over-enriched fuel mixes must generate much more CO though, and I wonder if those who "tune" their cars like so take care about the catalytic converter :(

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

#94
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Have you met https://slate.auto ? :) Doesn't even have automatic windows.

Jesus Christ... this entire thing looks like such a far-fetched dream to me. I am worried for the VCs that dumped their money into this idea.

Jeff Bezos was one of them. He’ll be ok.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

#95
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I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

Why? Are you worried from a liberty/privacy standpoint? "Smart" EV's are demonstrated to be significantly safer than "dumb" EVs. Waymo’s 2025/2026 data shows an 80–90% reduction in injury-causing crashes compared to human drivers in the same cities. [1, 2, 3, 4] [1] https://www.reinsurancene.ws/waymo-shows-90-fewer-claims-tha... [2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11305169/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go…

I assume GP meant cars with internet connectivity features, not (real) self driving tech.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

#96
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tragically, because of efficiency standards, modern engines are known to burn oil . Otherwise you may be smelling cars who have had the cats stolen.

A lot of Americans take their cat off on purpose for louder noises. Additionally, a lot of conservatives love to "Roll coal", and literally will shit up the environment on purpose just because they feel schadenfreude from pissing of an environmentalist.

> A lot of Americans take their cat off on purpose for louder noises.

Some people remove catalytic converters when they install a performance exhaust. Nobody is doing it for louder noises because the muffler portion is what dampens the sound.

Also I wouldn’t say it’s “a lot of Americans”. We have emissions inspections in most major cities and your car won’t pass if you remove the catalytic converter. They can now detect modified ECUs, too. Someone would have to be so determined to do this that they’d swap the exhaust in and out every time they had to do emissions inspections.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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I want the future to focus more on the brakes and tire dust, and the increase in cancers and other problems by people who live near busy roads or highways experience. Nobody studies this, and combustion or battery, everyone is affected by it. Even playgrounds are filled with shredded tires, which borders on biohazard.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

#98

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

> Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again

I would argue that this provides us the possibility of energy flexibility, which is a good thing given the current global geopolitical situation

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

#99
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Does the 2026 Nissan Leaf meet your criteria for a dumb car? All it's connected features appear to come from Android Auto or Apple Car Play. AKA from a connection to your phone. I like the looks of it because it appears to be a serious EV unlike too many which are just some company getting their toes wet.

Looking at the specs page the base model includes "Dual 12.3" widescreen displays" Why? What the hell is wrong with modern cars?

Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement. Plus touchscreens are much cheaper than buttons and knobs.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Lots (most?) cars are going to LCDs for the instrument panel. The second screen is the infotainment.

My previous car had its infotainment system reboot several times while I was on the expressway. The idea of my instrument panel, or other more critical systems, crashing and rebooting while driving terrifies me.

The infotainment is not connected to the ECU and other car control electronics. At least not on my Tesla nor my F150 Lightning. You can reboot them to your hearts content while driving down the road.
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