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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by dismalaf »

pjmlp wrote: post #8

Categories missing: - Operating systems, for various kinds of workloads - Programming language toolchains - Hardware vendors

- OSes is easy, Suse and Ubuntu are European. As well as a bunch of smaller ones.

Programming language toolchains? You must be very NPM-brained, stuff like C and C++ is generally quite decentralized with OSes taking care of packaging. There's also plenty of languages that originated in Europe.

Hardware vendors? There's a few. Most hardware vendors in general are Asian though.

Re: European Alternatives

#92

Post by quicksilver03 »

vldszn wrote: post #59

I submitted my project EasyInvoicePDF (a free & open-source invoice generator) a couple of months ago to European Alternatives but never heard back unfortunately. The project has no backend and is purely browser-based, but I’m based in Europe and developing the project here, so I consider it a European project =) App: https://easyinvoicepdf.com/?template=stripe GitHub: https://github.com/VladSez/easy-invoice-pdf

I've seen the same thing, the site accepts submissions but there's no one to either approve or reject them.

Unfortunately they did really well at SEO at one time, and more active alternatives appear far below in the search results.

Re: European Alternatives

#93

Post by sublimefire »

It is good to have a dedicated location to find these. The problem is that you want a sufficiently large company when buying the services so that it does not fall apart or get acquired and runs to the ground, and we have a few. Also, putting a country flag to the service is cringe, it might even be odd to some because it implies a specific language/culture. We just all want to consume a proper business staffed with pros and the one which does not resell AWS services.

Re: European Alternatives

#95

Post by jimnotgym »

pjmlp wrote: post #24
jimnotgym wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the issue with Operating systems or programming languages. There are FOSS alternatives and since they are run locally have no connection outside of the EU. Hardware vendors is a different issue

You are missing the big picture who develops them, pays the salaries of people in the trenches, implement LSPs, and whatever else around the ecosystems. Example, Java, .NET, Go and co are FOSS, how long do you think they will keep on going without their overlords? For complete alternatives we need to go back to the cold war days, where programming languages were driven by vendor neutral standards, and there were seve…

For the OS stuff wouldn't a European distribution of Linux do. Worst case if Europe could no longer get access to patches it could fork it. OK Europe might get behind, but that doesn't seem like an immediate issue, in the same way that not having AWS would be?

On programming languages it is a concern how popular .net and Java are in Europe. However being stuck on the current state of Python is less of a worry. I feel like I was always 10 years behind on needing new features.

Re: European Alternatives

#96

Post by schubidubiduba »

vldszn wrote: post #59

I submitted my project EasyInvoicePDF (a free & open-source invoice generator) a couple of months ago to European Alternatives but never heard back unfortunately. The project has no backend and is purely browser-based, but I’m based in Europe and developing the project here, so I consider it a European project =) App: https://easyinvoicepdf.com/?template=stripe GitHub: https://github.com/VladSez/easy-invoice-pdf

> template=stripe

Maybe this was enough to not include it?

Re: European Alternatives

#97

Post by schubidubiduba »

drnick1 wrote: post #87
nolok wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of things wrong is impressive You're confusing Europe and the EU You're forgetting about Ireland and Malta You're thinking that because the UK left the EU it will change the main language countries use to speak to each others

> You're thinking that because the UK left the EU it will change the main language countries use to speak to each others Yes, and that's precisely the irony. Europeans still need to subject themselves to Anglo "cultural imperialism" or absolutely nothing works, starting with communication across national borders.

The english language has ceased to be something unique to the anglocultural world a while ago. You're making this out to be much more than it is

Re: European Alternatives

#98

Post by Semaphor »

gassi wrote: post #90
Semaphor wrote: post #89

Thought I'd have another look at mail providers, but from what I can see, none support the features I use with fastmail (custom domain, security key, unlimited on-the-fly aliases for sending).

They don't, but you shouldn't feel too bad as fastmail is australian, ie not american, which (at least personally) is where we're trying to divest.

US servers, though.

Re: European Alternatives

#99

Post by troupo »

u8080 wrote: post #71
s_dev wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure there are much bigger and more worthwhile criticisms to be had than this. It's something they should fix and if they did would you suddenly switch to Scaleway? I think you would consider other factors first. A good critique for example is OVH lost a lot of customer data due to a fire. Where was the redundancy? That would make me think twice before switching to OVH.

Hetzner/Linode were MITMing their client(jabber.ru): https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

Was it Hetzner, or was it an attacker hosting on Hetzner/Linode?

Re: European Alternatives

#100

Post by gtirloni »

tene80i wrote: post #76
gtirloni wrote: post #49

This is nice but if Europe doesn't fix their tech salaries situation (half US' in most cases, if not lower), I don't think it's sustainable.

But why? What's unsustainable about an email service, for example, run by competent European engineers at European salaries?

The huge influx of competent European engineers to the US is a real thing.
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